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Gremlin
2025-02-17 01:26:07 UTC
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Does anyone here weld? MIG, fluxcore, TIG, or stick?

I've been wanting to learn for several years now. Just before Xmas, I
committed to it; I bought a little 120v welder. :)
And I opted to start with Stick first. The welder I have supports fluxcore
stick and lift tig. It'll be a bit before I'm doing any TIG though; it
requires a cylinder of Argon and initial cost isn't exactly cheap. :) I'm
going to setup the mig torch for fluxcore once the weather turns good again;
I ordered another torch just in case I really goof the one it came with. I
doubt I'd do that, but just to be on the safe side, I want another one on
hand so I can continue on if I do.

I'm getting better with stick; I can strike my 3/32 rods on first try most
of the time now, right where I want to start the bead. I can usually strike
my 1/8 6010 rod on first/second strike. Still having trouble 1st striking the
7018 but it's not exactly a rod for n00bs like myself either. I'm getting
there though. :)

Anyone else here into welding?
--
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Brock McNuggets
2025-02-17 01:39:58 UTC
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Does anyone here weld? MIG, fluxcore, TIG, or stick?
I weld with my engraver. It is a specialized skill I doubt you have the
ability to gain.

<grin>
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Gremlin
2025-02-17 04:41:40 UTC
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Post by Gremlin
Does anyone here weld? MIG, fluxcore, TIG, or stick?
I weld with my engraver. It is a specialized skill I doubt you have the
ability to gain.
<grin>
There's no point in trying to be funny after you singled me out for
'nitpicking' and some other bullshit while having fuckall to say to
FromTheRafters for telling David the same thing about the difference between
a trojan a virus and a worm a good bit before I did. You probably haven't
struck an arc in your entire life. Stop wasting my time in this thread. You
have plenty of others already to continue pissing and shitting all over.
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Brock McNuggets
2025-02-17 05:19:30 UTC
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Post by Brock McNuggets
Post by Gremlin
Does anyone here weld? MIG, fluxcore, TIG, or stick?
I weld with my engraver. It is a specialized skill I doubt you have the
ability to gain.
<grin>
There's no point in trying to be funny
I figured you would not be able to accept humor. Oh well.
Post by Gremlin
after you singled me out for
'nitpicking' and some other bullshit while having fuckall to say to
FromTheRafters for telling David the same thing about the difference between
a trojan a virus and a worm a good bit before I did. You probably haven't
struck an arc in your entire life. Stop wasting my time in this thread. You
have plenty of others already to continue pissing and shitting all over.
Please try to learn to read.
--
Specialist in unnecessary details and overcomplicated solutions.
Gremlin
2025-02-22 05:26:58 UTC
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Post by Gremlin
Post by Brock McNuggets
Post by Gremlin
Does anyone here weld? MIG, fluxcore, TIG, or stick?
I weld with my engraver. It is a specialized skill I doubt you have
the ability to gain.
<grin>
There's no point in trying to be funny
I figured you would not be able to accept humor. Oh well.
Nice backpedal. It doesn't excuse the fact you're still a dumbass tho.
Post by Brock McNuggets
Post by Gremlin
after you singled me out for
'nitpicking' and some other bullshit while having fuckall to say to
FromTheRafters for telling David the same thing about the difference
between a trojan a virus and a worm a good bit before I did. You
probably haven't struck an arc in your entire life. Stop wasting my
time in this thread. You have plenty of others already to continue
pissing and shitting all over.
Please try to learn to read.
*yawn* Isn't it interesting that almost everyone who posts in this newsgroup
points out your severe reading comprehension issue; but these same people
have fuckall to say to me or about me concerning mine. Read the room,
dumbass. Your pathetic spin nonsense isn't making you a single fucking sale.

Message-ID: <67b294b9$4$2786$***@reader.netnews.com>
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=174018335100

Your post singling me out for the same thing FTR told him ahead of me. Give
your bullshit projection a rest, dude. I'm not the one who needs things
explained to him like a fucking child. Btw, atleast one of the engravers you
have actually says it's an engraver; but you lumped it in with your abused
soldering irons. You're the one who has serious problems understanding what
you read. It's likely been a life long issue for you, too.
--
I don't need no Dr. All I need...is my lawyer.
Brock McNuggets
2025-02-22 05:32:07 UTC
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Post by Gremlin
Post by Brock McNuggets
Post by Gremlin
Does anyone here weld? MIG, fluxcore, TIG, or stick?
I weld with my engraver. It is a specialized skill I doubt you have
the ability to gain.
<grin>
There's no point in trying to be funny
I figured you would not be able to accept humor. Oh well.
You ignored this and just went on about your insecurities.
Post by Gremlin
Nice backpedal. It doesn't excuse the fact you're still a dumbass tho.
Post by Brock McNuggets
Post by Gremlin
after you singled me out for
'nitpicking' and some other bullshit while having fuckall to say to
FromTheRafters for telling David the same thing about the difference
between a trojan a virus and a worm a good bit before I did. You
probably haven't struck an arc in your entire life. Stop wasting my
time in this thread. You have plenty of others already to continue
pissing and shitting all over.
Please try to learn to read.
*yawn*
Learning to read / understand might not be interesting to you, but it would
help you.
Post by Gremlin
Isn't it interesting that almost everyone who posts in this newsgroup
points out your severe reading comprehension issue; but these same people
have fuckall to say to me or about me concerning mine. Read the room,
dumbass. Your pathetic spin nonsense isn't making you a single fucking sale.
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=174018335100
Your post singling me out for the same thing FTR told him ahead of me. Give
your bullshit projection a rest, dude. I'm not the one who needs things
explained to him like a fucking child. Btw, atleast one of the engravers you
have actually says it's an engraver; but you lumped it in with your abused
soldering irons. You're the one who has serious problems understanding what
you read. It's likely been a life long issue for you, too.
Your message is a mess of projection, hostility, and irony. You’re ranting
about someone else’s reading comprehension while your own post is riddled with
unclear points, contradictions, and emotional outbursts. You’re so desperate
to “win” whatever petty argument this is that you’ve lost sight of making any
coherent sense.

If you need to repeatedly scream about how everyone agrees with you, maybe
take a step back and ask why you’re trying so hard to convince yourself. A
little self-awareness would go a long way—though, based on this post, that
might be asking too much.
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David
2025-02-17 14:56:06 UTC
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Does anyone here weld? MIG, fluxcore, TIG, or stick?
I've been wanting to learn for several years now. Just before Xmas, I
committed to it; I bought a little 120v welder. :)
And I opted to start with Stick first. The welder I have supports fluxcore
stick and lift tig. It'll be a bit before I'm doing any TIG though; it
requires a cylinder of Argon and initial cost isn't exactly cheap. :) I'm
going to setup the mig torch for fluxcore once the weather turns good again;
I ordered another torch just in case I really goof the one it came with. I
doubt I'd do that, but just to be on the safe side, I want another one on
hand so I can continue on if I do.
I'm getting better with stick; I can strike my 3/32 rods on first try most
of the time now, right where I want to start the bead. I can usually strike
my 1/8 6010 rod on first/second strike. Still having trouble 1st striking the
7018 but it's not exactly a rod for n00bs like myself either. I'm getting
there though. :)
Anyone else here into welding?
Not any more ...... but I did once replace the complete floor of a car
like this using an oxy-acetylene rig:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancia_Fulvia

It subsequently passed its MOT!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOT_test

Phew!
--
David
Gremlin
2025-02-22 05:27:00 UTC
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Post by Gremlin
Does anyone here weld? MIG, fluxcore, TIG, or stick?
I've been wanting to learn for several years now. Just before Xmas, I
committed to it; I bought a little 120v welder. :)
And I opted to start with Stick first. The welder I have supports
fluxcore stick and lift tig. It'll be a bit before I'm doing any TIG
though; it requires a cylinder of Argon and initial cost isn't exactly
cheap. :) I'm going to setup the mig torch for fluxcore once the
weather turns good again; I ordered another torch just in case I really
goof the one it came with. I doubt I'd do that, but just to be on the
safe side, I want another one on hand so I can continue on if I do.
I'm getting better with stick; I can strike my 3/32 rods on first try
most of the time now, right where I want to start the bead. I can
usually strike my 1/8 6010 rod on first/second strike. Still having
trouble 1st striking the 7018 but it's not exactly a rod for n00bs like
myself either. I'm getting there though. :)
Anyone else here into welding?
Not any more ...... but I did once replace the complete floor of a car
like this using an oxy-acetylene rig:-
Damn David, you like doing things the hard way. Respect though for being
able to use the torch to weld and not turn metal into liquid. I've seen many
a 'welder' do exactly that. :)
Post by David
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancia_Fulvia
It subsequently passed its MOT!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOT_test
Phew!
Impressive.

Oh, to remain on topic; I just ordered my 2nd welder today.

https://www.amazon.com/Sunstac-Aluminum-Voltage-Multifunctional-Welding/dp/B0
C5M8MFCJ
I've had my eyeballs on this one for almost two damn months. :) I've read
all kinds of articles about it and it's manufacturing company. I also like
the fact it's using standard DSINKI (I may have misspelled this word; the
connection interfaces are still new to me) euro style twist lock connectors
on everything. Nothing is perm wired like many of the ones from Harbor
freight and other box stores. It's 249 on the tiktok shop; and sadly, It
went up about 15 dollars on Amazon from a week ago. Had to reroute funds to
get it before the price continued to climb. :) I'm not a political person by
any means, but the threats of Tarifs from our president isn't helping me
with my welding interests. It's causing price increases. Annoying! Stuff is
expensive enough as it is. And, I'm not exactly a rich SOB.

This is the one I've been using to teach myself
https://www.amazon.com/TOOLIOM-Gasless-Welding-Machine-Inverter/dp/B0CP4VV4KK

I've been very pleased with it. I ordered the tig torch for it and a 2nd MIG
torch for it; Just in case when I'm ready to do fluxcore I goof up the
lining or something. It also came with extra contact tips; very convenient.
But, it's not a true MIG welder; it doesn't support GAS natively. I could
buy a torch with a seperate gas line to get around that, but it would cost
me nearly as much as the Sunstac which already supports gas. It supports a
variety infact. I'll only be using Argon though; but it's nice to know that
if I wanted to mix things up, it's cool with it. It also helps that it can
weld aluminum just by changing out the liner to graphene (or graphite, seps
something etc) but it's still a DC output so have to be careful.

I have been able to succesfully weld aluminum with my Tooliom in stick mode
of all things, but, it's not the prettiest looking bead and you can tell it
wasn't done with an AC welder. AC where it swaps polarity actually cleans
the aluminum as you go. And I did the welding with stick using a 3/32 7014
rod. I had to play with the heat control and swap polarity so the heat was
focused on the rod and not the surface. Yes, I gave up penetration for it;
but the material was .07 inch thick too; and I'm sure you understand how
easy it is to burn a damn hole right thru it. :) I had my welder all the way
down to 30amps to finish that; and I swapped polarity to DCEN instead of
DCEP to give me a little more time to make the puddle before I burned thru
the surface. Negative side on DC is where the electrical energy actually
comes from. It's called electron flow. Conventional flow is where you are
taught it goes from positive to negative side. It doesn't. It's actually the
reverse but! we already have so much material out there explaining it the
wrong way that we labeled it as conventional current flow and electron
current flow. Yea, heh, that's how we fixed a major booboo in education; a
world wide education goof in this case.

I've got the .30 2lb roll of fluxcore as well as the .35 2lb roll of the
same for that welder, but it can also be used on my SunStac. Infact, almost
everything I have for my current welder will go right onto the Sunstac.
Except for the MIG torches, obviously. Since the Sunstac supports gas
natively, it's MIG torch has a gas line where as my Tooliom MIG torches do
not; since it doesn't do gas on it's own.

I've been wanting to strike an arc and maybe load it with fluxcore wire to
check that option out, but the weather here has not been friendly for
welding. My damn hood fogs up on me for example. I can't very well weld if I
can't see a damn thing. Plus, I have an auto darkening hood that cost me
more than my first welder. It has an electronic panel inside of it that does
the real work and I don't want to mess it up. So I haven't been able to weld
for days now.

The weather is supposed to get into the 50s over the next few days though;
plenty warm enough to strike an arc! without fogging my hood or risking any
damage via condensation for the auto darkening lens assembly.

I'm almost dying to go outside and strike an arc, but, it's too dark already.
LOL! I've got welders bug in case you couldn't tell. I'm fucking addicted to
it, bro. Seriously. I love it! I wish I got into it years ago. I didn't have
the opportunity to take any welding classes during school. I wasn't one of
those kids who had a nice house with people that had heavy duty tools that I
could use to learn to weld back then. It just wasn't like that for me. We
had a place to live, but it wasn't some fancy ass place with a garage etc.
No place to have welding equipment or metal fabrication equipment.

I've been wanting to learn for several years now (repeating myself here I
suspect) so I committed myself; I spent funds. It actually showed up. I'm
not one for buying tools I won't use. Hell, the first day I got it out of
the box I knew I couldn't use it yet (didn't have a hood or rods or anything
yet) but I did plug it in and turn it on. I spent probably 20 minutes or so
reading the very well written book it came with. Going by the owners manual
you'd never guess it comes out of China. Tooliom is actually a Canadian
company; the designs are done by my northern neighbors. But they don't have
their own manufacturing plant there, and it wouldn't be cost effective if
they did for what the welder is. So, like many other companies, it's
assembled in China to their specifications.

I'm also looking into purchasing a small lathe for metal fabrication. Along
with a plasma cutter and suitable tank based air compressor. As it is now
though, I have to run 3 dedicated circuits to my welding area. One 120v 30a
circuit and two 240v circuits. The welder I just ordered claims it only draws
30amps on 240volts with settings on 200a output; maxxed out. Since I want to
make sure the welder has access to all the power it wants, I'm thinking of
pulling the 240v runs with wire suitable for a 50a continuous duty load. The
only thing I'll be saving is the labor cost. I can't do anything about
material costs. I've already freed up room in the main panel for two double
poles and two single poles. Already mapped out exactly how I'm going to pull
the wire too; I'm going straight up from the panel into the attic and out to
the garage area where I'll use schedule 80 PVC to protect the wire and bring
it to several nice water tight boxes with suitable receptacles. outdoor
rated ones at that.

I've probably burned close to 14lbs of rods now with my Tooliom. I plan to
burn a shitload more. :) When the SunStac gets here the first thing i'm
going to do is strike a 1/8 7018 and run it hella hot. I'm checking to see
if it'll throw my 20a dedicated circuit breaker. My Tooliom will; but I have
to burn several 1/8 rods practically back to back on full power (135a)
before it'll go ahead and do it. I've yet to hit duty cycle. The welder
hasn't over heated or backed off or gone into protection mode a single time!
If I burn a couple of rods and wait a few minutes, it won't trip the breaker;
it's a thermal overload issue which is causing the trip. I am pulling more
than it's rated for when I do that, but, not for very long; which is why the
breaker holds so well for me. I've also been using a 14ga 25ft medium duty
rated extension cord for it. Surprisingly to me, the 12ga and 14ga are rated
for 15a until you reach 100ft; then the 14ga drops off to 13a.

It doesn't even get the cord warm most of the time. It's very handy being
able to weld on a jobsite if welding becomes necessary for something. Which
has happened on several commercial jobs. We've had to wait until someone can
get there with a 120v welder to fix the structure so we can wire it, without
falling thru it or it toppling over onto us. Think the outdoor signs for
advertising. Some of them are a good ways up too. Plus, I think everyone
should learn how to take two pieces of metal and weld them together. It's an
important and useful (imho) life skill.

I found out my nephew is taking welding in school; He had the choice of
automotive or welding. I kind of? pushed him towards welding. :) It'll give
him the ability to travel if he wants when he's done with HS as well as make
damn good coin. He won't be starving.
And, it hasn't lit my arse up with a nasty shock (yet rofl) either; most
likely because I'm wearing proper PPE and know better than to introduce
myself into the circuit itself. Plus, they included a schematic with parts
list in the owners manual. So, short of it blowing a proprietary IC, I can
fix it if I do kill it. That's another plus in my book. Any company willing
to share their circuit layout gets my attention and possibly my business;
because they know they have a good circuit and aren't trying to hide it.
Just like the good stereo systems I grew up around. Sansui is a good example
of that. Both receivers came with a full on schematic and parts list for
servicing them. Back then, they weren't scared to show you what was actually
under the hood. FFS, they took pride in their circuit designs and wanted
those into electronics to see that for themselves.
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I don't need no Dr. All I need...is my lawyer.
Brock McNuggets
2025-02-22 05:33:55 UTC
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Post by Gremlin
Does anyone here weld? MIG, fluxcore, TIG, or stick?
I've been wanting to learn for several years now. Just before Xmas, I
committed to it; I bought a little 120v welder. :)
And I opted to start with Stick first. The welder I have supports
fluxcore stick and lift tig. It'll be a bit before I'm doing any TIG
though; it requires a cylinder of Argon and initial cost isn't exactly
cheap. :) I'm going to setup the mig torch for fluxcore once the
weather turns good again; I ordered another torch just in case I really
goof the one it came with. I doubt I'd do that, but just to be on the
safe side, I want another one on hand so I can continue on if I do.
I'm getting better with stick; I can strike my 3/32 rods on first try
most of the time now, right where I want to start the bead. I can
usually strike my 1/8 6010 rod on first/second strike. Still having
trouble 1st striking the 7018 but it's not exactly a rod for n00bs like
myself either. I'm getting there though. :)
Anyone else here into welding?
Not any more ...... but I did once replace the complete floor of a car
like this using an oxy-acetylene rig:-
Damn David, you like doing things the hard way. Respect though for being
able to use the torch to weld and not turn metal into liquid. I've seen many
a 'welder' do exactly that. :)
Post by David
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancia_Fulvia
It subsequently passed its MOT!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOT_test
Phew!
Impressive.
Oh, to remain on topic; I just ordered my 2nd welder today.
https://www.amazon.com/Sunstac-Aluminum-Voltage-Multifunctional-Welding/dp/B0
C5M8MFCJ
I've had my eyeballs on this one for almost two damn months. :) I've read
all kinds of articles about it and it's manufacturing company. I also like
the fact it's using standard DSINKI (I may have misspelled this word; the
connection interfaces are still new to me) euro style twist lock connectors
on everything. Nothing is perm wired like many of the ones from Harbor
freight and other box stores. It's 249 on the tiktok shop; and sadly, It
went up about 15 dollars on Amazon from a week ago. Had to reroute funds to
get it before the price continued to climb. :) I'm not a political person by
any means, but the threats of Tarifs from our president isn't helping me
with my welding interests. It's causing price increases. Annoying! Stuff is
expensive enough as it is. And, I'm not exactly a rich SOB.
This is the one I've been using to teach myself
https://www.amazon.com/TOOLIOM-Gasless-Welding-Machine-Inverter/dp/B0CP4VV4KK
I've been very pleased with it. I ordered the tig torch for it and a 2nd MIG
torch for it; Just in case when I'm ready to do fluxcore I goof up the
lining or something. It also came with extra contact tips; very convenient.
But, it's not a true MIG welder; it doesn't support GAS natively. I could
buy a torch with a seperate gas line to get around that, but it would cost
me nearly as much as the Sunstac which already supports gas. It supports a
variety infact. I'll only be using Argon though; but it's nice to know that
if I wanted to mix things up, it's cool with it. It also helps that it can
weld aluminum just by changing out the liner to graphene (or graphite, seps
something etc) but it's still a DC output so have to be careful.
I have been able to succesfully weld aluminum with my Tooliom in stick mode
of all things, but, it's not the prettiest looking bead and you can tell it
wasn't done with an AC welder. AC where it swaps polarity actually cleans
the aluminum as you go. And I did the welding with stick using a 3/32 7014
rod. I had to play with the heat control and swap polarity so the heat was
focused on the rod and not the surface. Yes, I gave up penetration for it;
but the material was .07 inch thick too; and I'm sure you understand how
easy it is to burn a damn hole right thru it. :) I had my welder all the way
down to 30amps to finish that; and I swapped polarity to DCEN instead of
DCEP to give me a little more time to make the puddle before I burned thru
the surface. Negative side on DC is where the electrical energy actually
comes from. It's called electron flow. Conventional flow is where you are
taught it goes from positive to negative side. It doesn't. It's actually the
reverse but! we already have so much material out there explaining it the
wrong way that we labeled it as conventional current flow and electron
current flow. Yea, heh, that's how we fixed a major booboo in education; a
world wide education goof in this case.
I've got the .30 2lb roll of fluxcore as well as the .35 2lb roll of the
same for that welder, but it can also be used on my SunStac. Infact, almost
everything I have for my current welder will go right onto the Sunstac.
Except for the MIG torches, obviously. Since the Sunstac supports gas
natively, it's MIG torch has a gas line where as my Tooliom MIG torches do
not; since it doesn't do gas on it's own.
I've been wanting to strike an arc and maybe load it with fluxcore wire to
check that option out, but the weather here has not been friendly for
welding. My damn hood fogs up on me for example. I can't very well weld if I
can't see a damn thing. Plus, I have an auto darkening hood that cost me
more than my first welder. It has an electronic panel inside of it that does
the real work and I don't want to mess it up. So I haven't been able to weld
for days now.
The weather is supposed to get into the 50s over the next few days though;
plenty warm enough to strike an arc! without fogging my hood or risking any
damage via condensation for the auto darkening lens assembly.
I'm almost dying to go outside and strike an arc, but, it's too dark already.
LOL! I've got welders bug in case you couldn't tell. I'm fucking addicted to
it, bro. Seriously. I love it! I wish I got into it years ago. I didn't have
the opportunity to take any welding classes during school. I wasn't one of
those kids who had a nice house with people that had heavy duty tools that I
could use to learn to weld back then. It just wasn't like that for me. We
had a place to live, but it wasn't some fancy ass place with a garage etc.
No place to have welding equipment or metal fabrication equipment.
I've been wanting to learn for several years now (repeating myself here I
suspect) so I committed myself; I spent funds. It actually showed up. I'm
not one for buying tools I won't use. Hell, the first day I got it out of
the box I knew I couldn't use it yet (didn't have a hood or rods or anything
yet) but I did plug it in and turn it on. I spent probably 20 minutes or so
reading the very well written book it came with. Going by the owners manual
you'd never guess it comes out of China. Tooliom is actually a Canadian
company; the designs are done by my northern neighbors. But they don't have
their own manufacturing plant there, and it wouldn't be cost effective if
they did for what the welder is. So, like many other companies, it's
assembled in China to their specifications.
I'm also looking into purchasing a small lathe for metal fabrication. Along
with a plasma cutter and suitable tank based air compressor. As it is now
though, I have to run 3 dedicated circuits to my welding area. One 120v 30a
circuit and two 240v circuits. The welder I just ordered claims it only draws
30amps on 240volts with settings on 200a output; maxxed out. Since I want to
make sure the welder has access to all the power it wants, I'm thinking of
pulling the 240v runs with wire suitable for a 50a continuous duty load. The
only thing I'll be saving is the labor cost. I can't do anything about
material costs. I've already freed up room in the main panel for two double
poles and two single poles. Already mapped out exactly how I'm going to pull
the wire too; I'm going straight up from the panel into the attic and out to
the garage area where I'll use schedule 80 PVC to protect the wire and bring
it to several nice water tight boxes with suitable receptacles. outdoor
rated ones at that.
I've probably burned close to 14lbs of rods now with my Tooliom. I plan to
burn a shitload more. :) When the SunStac gets here the first thing i'm
going to do is strike a 1/8 7018 and run it hella hot. I'm checking to see
if it'll throw my 20a dedicated circuit breaker. My Tooliom will; but I have
to burn several 1/8 rods practically back to back on full power (135a)
before it'll go ahead and do it. I've yet to hit duty cycle. The welder
hasn't over heated or backed off or gone into protection mode a single time!
If I burn a couple of rods and wait a few minutes, it won't trip the breaker;
it's a thermal overload issue which is causing the trip. I am pulling more
than it's rated for when I do that, but, not for very long; which is why the
breaker holds so well for me. I've also been using a 14ga 25ft medium duty
rated extension cord for it. Surprisingly to me, the 12ga and 14ga are rated
for 15a until you reach 100ft; then the 14ga drops off to 13a.
It doesn't even get the cord warm most of the time. It's very handy being
able to weld on a jobsite if welding becomes necessary for something. Which
has happened on several commercial jobs. We've had to wait until someone can
get there with a 120v welder to fix the structure so we can wire it, without
falling thru it or it toppling over onto us. Think the outdoor signs for
advertising. Some of them are a good ways up too. Plus, I think everyone
should learn how to take two pieces of metal and weld them together. It's an
important and useful (imho) life skill.
I found out my nephew is taking welding in school; He had the choice of
automotive or welding. I kind of? pushed him towards welding. :) It'll give
him the ability to travel if he wants when he's done with HS as well as make
damn good coin. He won't be starving.
And, it hasn't lit my arse up with a nasty shock (yet rofl) either; most
likely because I'm wearing proper PPE and know better than to introduce
myself into the circuit itself. Plus, they included a schematic with parts
list in the owners manual. So, short of it blowing a proprietary IC, I can
fix it if I do kill it. That's another plus in my book. Any company willing
to share their circuit layout gets my attention and possibly my business;
because they know they have a good circuit and aren't trying to hide it.
Just like the good stereo systems I grew up around. Sansui is a good example
of that. Both receivers came with a full on schematic and parts list for
servicing them. Back then, they weren't scared to show you what was actually
under the hood. FFS, they took pride in their circuit designs and wanted
those into electronics to see that for themselves.
Wow, Gremlin, you really managed to turn a simple question about welding into
a sleep aid. Your post reads like a welding manual with a dash of conspiracy
theory about tariffs thrown in for good measure. I’m genuinely impressed by
your ability to suck the life out of an otherwise interesting topic. It’s as
if you set out to write the longest, most meandering, and painfully dull
welding saga ever told.

I mean, kudos for your enthusiasm—it’s clear you love welding. But my
goodness, nobody asked for a dissertation on electron flow or a novel-length
breakdown of your purchasing history. And did we really need to know about
your extension cord’s gauge and temperature? It’s welding, not rocket science.
Although, with how far off course you went, I half expected you to circle back
to how to build a spaceship using nothing but fluxcore wire and sheer
willpower.

If you want to share your passion, great! But maybe next time, aim for concise
and relevant instead of a rambling mess. Trust me, your readers—and the few
who made it to the end of that post without dozing off—will thank you.
--
Specialist in unnecessary details and overcomplicated solutions.
David
2025-02-22 20:40:30 UTC
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Does anyone here weld? MIG, fluxcore, TIG, or stick?
I've been wanting to learn for several years now. Just before Xmas, I
committed to it; I bought a little 120v welder. :)
And I opted to start with Stick first. The welder I have supports
fluxcore stick and lift tig. It'll be a bit before I'm doing any TIG
though; it requires a cylinder of Argon and initial cost isn't exactly
cheap. :) I'm going to setup the mig torch for fluxcore once the
weather turns good again; I ordered another torch just in case I really
goof the one it came with. I doubt I'd do that, but just to be on the
safe side, I want another one on hand so I can continue on if I do.
I'm getting better with stick; I can strike my 3/32 rods on first try
most of the time now, right where I want to start the bead. I can
usually strike my 1/8 6010 rod on first/second strike. Still having
trouble 1st striking the 7018 but it's not exactly a rod for n00bs like
myself either. I'm getting there though. :)
Anyone else here into welding?
Not any more ...... but I did once replace the complete floor of a car
like this using an oxy-acetylene rig:-
Damn David, you like doing things the hard way. Respect though for being
able to use the torch to weld and not turn metal into liquid. I've seen many
a 'welder' do exactly that. :)
I should have added that the car wasn't on a ramp! I'd jacked it up and
put it on blocks so all work was done lying flat on my back. This in a
domestic garage barely 10 feet wide!
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancia_Fulvia
It subsequently passed its MOT!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOT_test
Phew!
Impressive.
Thanks. :-)
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Oh, to remain on topic; I just ordered my 2nd welder today.
https://www.amazon.com/Sunstac-Aluminum-Voltage-Multifunctional-Welding/dp/B0
C5M8MFCJ
I've had my eyeballs on this one for almost two damn months. :) I've read
all kinds of articles about it and it's manufacturing company. I also like
the fact it's using standard DSINKI (I may have misspelled this word; the
connection interfaces are still new to me) euro style twist lock connectors
on everything. Nothing is perm wired like many of the ones from Harbor
freight and other box stores. It's 249 on the tiktok shop; and sadly, It
went up about 15 dollars on Amazon from a week ago. Had to reroute funds to
get it before the price continued to climb. :) I'm not a political person by
any means, but the threats of Tarifs from our president isn't helping me
with my welding interests. It's causing price increases. Annoying! Stuff is
expensive enough as it is. And, I'm not exactly a rich SOB.
This is the one I've been using to teach myself
https://www.amazon.com/TOOLIOM-Gasless-Welding-Machine-Inverter/dp/B0CP4VV4KK
I've been very pleased with it. I ordered the tig torch for it and a 2nd MIG
torch for it; Just in case when I'm ready to do fluxcore I goof up the
lining or something. It also came with extra contact tips; very convenient.
But, it's not a true MIG welder; it doesn't support GAS natively. I could
buy a torch with a seperate gas line to get around that, but it would cost
me nearly as much as the Sunstac which already supports gas. It supports a
variety infact. I'll only be using Argon though; but it's nice to know that
if I wanted to mix things up, it's cool with it. It also helps that it can
weld aluminum just by changing out the liner to graphene (or graphite, seps
something etc) but it's still a DC output so have to be careful.
I have been able to succesfully weld aluminum with my Tooliom in stick mode
of all things, but, it's not the prettiest looking bead and you can tell it
wasn't done with an AC welder. AC where it swaps polarity actually cleans
the aluminum as you go. And I did the welding with stick using a 3/32 7014
rod. I had to play with the heat control and swap polarity so the heat was
focused on the rod and not the surface. Yes, I gave up penetration for it;
but the material was .07 inch thick too; and I'm sure you understand how
easy it is to burn a damn hole right thru it. :) I had my welder all the way
down to 30amps to finish that; and I swapped polarity to DCEN instead of
DCEP to give me a little more time to make the puddle before I burned thru
the surface. Negative side on DC is where the electrical energy actually
comes from. It's called electron flow. Conventional flow is where you are
taught it goes from positive to negative side. It doesn't. It's actually the
reverse but! we already have so much material out there explaining it the
wrong way that we labeled it as conventional current flow and electron
current flow. Yea, heh, that's how we fixed a major booboo in education; a
world wide education goof in this case.
I've got the .30 2lb roll of fluxcore as well as the .35 2lb roll of the
same for that welder, but it can also be used on my SunStac. Infact, almost
everything I have for my current welder will go right onto the Sunstac.
Except for the MIG torches, obviously. Since the Sunstac supports gas
natively, it's MIG torch has a gas line where as my Tooliom MIG torches do
not; since it doesn't do gas on it's own.
I've been wanting to strike an arc and maybe load it with fluxcore wire to
check that option out, but the weather here has not been friendly for
welding. My damn hood fogs up on me for example. I can't very well weld if I
can't see a damn thing. Plus, I have an auto darkening hood that cost me
more than my first welder. It has an electronic panel inside of it that does
the real work and I don't want to mess it up. So I haven't been able to weld
for days now.
The weather is supposed to get into the 50s over the next few days though;
plenty warm enough to strike an arc! without fogging my hood or risking any
damage via condensation for the auto darkening lens assembly.
I'm almost dying to go outside and strike an arc, but, it's too dark already.
LOL! I've got welders bug in case you couldn't tell. I'm fucking addicted to
it, bro. Seriously. I love it! I wish I got into it years ago. I didn't have
the opportunity to take any welding classes during school. I wasn't one of
those kids who had a nice house with people that had heavy duty tools that I
could use to learn to weld back then. It just wasn't like that for me. We
had a place to live, but it wasn't some fancy ass place with a garage etc.
No place to have welding equipment or metal fabrication equipment.
I've been wanting to learn for several years now (repeating myself here I
suspect) so I committed myself; I spent funds. It actually showed up. I'm
not one for buying tools I won't use. Hell, the first day I got it out of
the box I knew I couldn't use it yet (didn't have a hood or rods or anything
yet) but I did plug it in and turn it on. I spent probably 20 minutes or so
reading the very well written book it came with. Going by the owners manual
you'd never guess it comes out of China. Tooliom is actually a Canadian
company; the designs are done by my northern neighbors. But they don't have
their own manufacturing plant there, and it wouldn't be cost effective if
they did for what the welder is. So, like many other companies, it's
assembled in China to their specifications.
I'm also looking into purchasing a small lathe for metal fabrication. Along
with a plasma cutter and suitable tank based air compressor. As it is now
though, I have to run 3 dedicated circuits to my welding area. One 120v 30a
circuit and two 240v circuits. The welder I just ordered claims it only draws
30amps on 240volts with settings on 200a output; maxxed out. Since I want to
make sure the welder has access to all the power it wants, I'm thinking of
pulling the 240v runs with wire suitable for a 50a continuous duty load. The
only thing I'll be saving is the labor cost. I can't do anything about
material costs. I've already freed up room in the main panel for two double
poles and two single poles. Already mapped out exactly how I'm going to pull
the wire too; I'm going straight up from the panel into the attic and out to
the garage area where I'll use schedule 80 PVC to protect the wire and bring
it to several nice water tight boxes with suitable receptacles. outdoor
rated ones at that.
I've probably burned close to 14lbs of rods now with my Tooliom. I plan to
burn a shitload more. :) When the SunStac gets here the first thing i'm
going to do is strike a 1/8 7018 and run it hella hot. I'm checking to see
if it'll throw my 20a dedicated circuit breaker. My Tooliom will; but I have
to burn several 1/8 rods practically back to back on full power (135a)
before it'll go ahead and do it. I've yet to hit duty cycle. The welder
hasn't over heated or backed off or gone into protection mode a single time!
If I burn a couple of rods and wait a few minutes, it won't trip the breaker;
it's a thermal overload issue which is causing the trip. I am pulling more
than it's rated for when I do that, but, not for very long; which is why the
breaker holds so well for me. I've also been using a 14ga 25ft medium duty
rated extension cord for it. Surprisingly to me, the 12ga and 14ga are rated
for 15a until you reach 100ft; then the 14ga drops off to 13a.
It doesn't even get the cord warm most of the time. It's very handy being
able to weld on a jobsite if welding becomes necessary for something. Which
has happened on several commercial jobs. We've had to wait until someone can
get there with a 120v welder to fix the structure so we can wire it, without
falling thru it or it toppling over onto us. Think the outdoor signs for
advertising. Some of them are a good ways up too. Plus, I think everyone
should learn how to take two pieces of metal and weld them together. It's an
important and useful (imho) life skill.
I found out my nephew is taking welding in school; He had the choice of
automotive or welding. I kind of? pushed him towards welding. :) It'll give
him the ability to travel if he wants when he's done with HS as well as make
damn good coin. He won't be starving.
And, it hasn't lit my arse up with a nasty shock (yet rofl) either; most
likely because I'm wearing proper PPE and know better than to introduce
myself into the circuit itself. Plus, they included a schematic with parts
list in the owners manual. So, short of it blowing a proprietary IC, I can
fix it if I do kill it. That's another plus in my book. Any company willing
to share their circuit layout gets my attention and possibly my business;
because they know they have a good circuit and aren't trying to hide it.
Just like the good stereo systems I grew up around. Sansui is a good example
of that. Both receivers came with a full on schematic and parts list for
servicing them. Back then, they weren't scared to show you what was actually
under the hood. FFS, they took pride in their circuit designs and wanted
those into electronics to see that for themselves.
Long though this is ...
I really enjoyed you story, Dustin. 🙂 I wish you every success in
'mastering the art'. You'll know when you /have/ mastered the art once
you can do great welds on stainless steel!

Please show some of the trials which you undertake. Thanks.
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David
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2025-03-02 04:57:21 UTC
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Damn David, you like doing things the hard way. Respect though for
being able to use the torch to weld and not turn metal into liquid.
I've seen many a 'welder' do exactly that. :)
I should have added that the car wasn't on a ramp! I'd jacked it up and
put it on blocks so all work was done lying flat on my back. This in a
domestic garage barely 10 feet wide!
That situation makes the task especially difficult. Kudos for your success!
As well as not setting yourself (or nearby things) on fire, or, blowing
yourself up in the process.

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Long though this is ...
Well..In my own defense, it is my thread. :)
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I really enjoyed you story, Dustin.
Thanks for reading.
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I wish you every success in 'mastering the art'.
While I appreciate the good wishes, I won't ever be a master at this. :) But,
I do want to get to the point where, excuse the expression, "I can weld a
dick on a snowman" skill level, in MIG (gas/gasless) SMAW/MMA(W)/FSAW (Stick)
and TIG. I'm not really that interested in the laser welding technology at
present.
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You'll know when you /have/ mastered the art once
you can do great welds on stainless steel!
Well. I have a small amount of experience now working with stainless
.07inches in thickness. With stick. It's not fun. I did patch a hole I'd
made and after using a grinding disc, it's hard to tell where the hole or
patch actually is; but...I'm still very much a n00b at this. It's very easy
to blow holes in it and a royal pain in the arse to fix them by growing an
island of steel. I suspect it would be easier if I welded another piece in
place, but, I didn't. I still have a long ways to go yet before I can weld
stainless to stainless well. I'm still just learning stick at the moment,
David. I haven't tried any of the other methods using either of the Welders
yet. I'll get there though.
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Please show some of the trials which you undertake. Thanks.
https://www.tiktok.com/@gremlinhhi

My awful looking welds (imo, atleast. so far) can be seen by visiting that
link and checking out the pictures. There's one video as well, but, it's a
bit dated now since I have the other welder now too. And two plug in angle
grinders. I still use one of the cordless drillsfrom time to time, but not
nearly as often as I was. As I said before though, I'm a n00b at this. I
didn't strike my first arc until January. No prior experience, didn't get to
do this in school. I would have! if given the opportunity. It's a lot of fun!
Well, the grinding part not so much, but, the welding part is fun! :)
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David
2025-03-02 13:36:11 UTC
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Damn David, you like doing things the hard way. Respect though for
being able to use the torch to weld and not turn metal into liquid.
I've seen many a 'welder' do exactly that. :)
I should have added that the car wasn't on a ramp! I'd jacked it up and
put it on blocks so all work was done lying flat on my back. This in a
domestic garage barely 10 feet wide!
That situation makes the task especially difficult. Kudos for your success!
As well as not setting yourself (or nearby things) on fire, or, blowing
yourself up in the process.
Thank you. :-) I did drain the fuel tank before I started work!
I was really
fortunate too - in that one of the apprentices I first joined up with in
the Royal Navy had become an Airframes & Engine Artificer and was now
also serving at RNAS Culdrose. He was able to manufacture replacement
floor panels for me in his hangar workshop, identical to those rusty
ones I had cut out.
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Long though this is ...
Well..In my own defense, it is my thread. :)
Indeed it is!
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I really enjoyed you story, Dustin.
Thanks for reading.
In truth, I actually read EVERYTHING you post!
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I wish you every success in 'mastering the art'.
While I appreciate the good wishes, I won't ever be a master at this. :) But,
I do want to get to the point where, excuse the expression, "I can weld a
dick on a snowman" skill level, in MIG (gas/gasless) SMAW/MMA(W)/FSAW (Stick)
and TIG. I'm not really that interested in the laser welding
technology at
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present.
I wish you good luck.
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You'll know when you /have/ mastered the art once
you can do great welds on stainless steel!
Well. I have a small amount of experience now working with stainless
.07inches in thickness. With stick. It's not fun. I did patch a hole I'd
made and after using a grinding disc, it's hard to tell where the hole or
patch actually is; but...I'm still very much a n00b at this. It's very easy
to blow holes in it and a royal pain in the arse to fix them by growing an
island of steel. I suspect it would be easier if I welded another piece in
place, but, I didn't. I still have a long ways to go yet before I can weld
stainless to stainless well. I'm still just learning stick at the moment,
David. I haven't tried any of the other methods using either of the Welders
yet. I'll get there though.
I'm sure you will.
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Please show some of the trials which you undertake. Thanks.
My awful looking welds (imo, at least. so far) can be seen by
visiting that
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link and checking out the pictures. There's one video as well, but, it's a
bit dated now since I have the other welder now too. And two plug in angle
grinders. I still use one of the cordless drills from time to time,
but not
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nearly as often as I was. As I said before though, I'm a n00b at this. I
didn't strike my first arc until January. No prior experience, didn't get to
do this in school. I would have! if given the opportunity. It's a lot of fun!
Well, the grinding part not so much, but, the welding part is fun! :)
I have no idea whether or not you have had personal one-on-one
instruction on this new skill but I'd recommend that, if you haven't had
some real, live, person showing you the nuances of this skill, you try
to find someone to show you, close up, 'the secrets of the trade'!
Welding stainless steel really is a bit of an art! ;-)

Regardless, I am impressed by your work to date. Well done! ;-)
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David
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Thank you. :-) I did drain the fuel tank before I started work!
There's a whole debate concerning which option is the safest concerning that.
As I'm sure you know, it's the fumes which are dangerous. An empty fuel tank
has a lot of fumes hanging out inside of it. If filled full, there's not as
much room for fumes to chill. Or, so some have said. I'm not a chemist. I'm
not on either side per say. I would make every effort to remove anything
flammable or explosive from the area where I'm welding. Especially things of
a gas nature thats flammable and can be set off with a spark. Stick welding
makes a lot! of sparks. :)
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He was able to manufacture replacement
floor panels for me in his hangar workshop, identical to those rusty
ones I had cut out.
Fabrication skills are a very handy thing! It's great that you were
fortunate enough to know someone with the necessary skill resources and time
who was willing and able to help you out. I've since lost a bet I had with a
local friend of mine. I specifically said I was interested in learning to
weld and wouldn't be doing any fabrication. I was *wrong*. So wrong. heh.

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Thanks for reading.
In truth, I actually read EVERYTHING you post!
If you didn't flip and flop more than a fish on a line who took the bait,
you wouldn't have to declare 'in truth'. Your credibility would be much
better, and I might even have believed you. You almost had me. You believe
that right? :)
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Please show some of the trials which you undertake. Thanks.
My awful looking welds (imo, at least. so far) can be seen by
visiting that
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link and checking out the pictures. There's one video as well, but,
it's a
Post by Gremlin
bit dated now since I have the other welder now too. And two plug in
angle
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grinders. I still use one of the cordless drills from time to time,
but not
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nearly as often as I was. As I said before though, I'm a n00b at this. I
didn't strike my first arc until January. No prior experience, didn't
get to
Post by Gremlin
do this in school. I would have! if given the opportunity. It's a lot
of fun!
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Well, the grinding part not so much, but, the welding part is fun! :)
I have no idea whether or not you have had personal one-on-one
instruction on this new skill but I'd recommend that, if you haven't had
some real, live, person showing you the nuances of this skill, you try
to find someone to show you, close up, 'the secrets of the trade'!
Welding stainless steel really is a bit of an art! ;-)
I can't possibly? be any clearer when I say that I didn't strike my first
arc until this past January, that I'm a near total n00b imo at this. I'm
teaching myself how to weld, David. What part of that isn't clear to you?
I've had no one on one training of any kind. I haven't interacted with so
much as a single local who's struck an arc and let me watch how they control
their puddle or anything else. I'm learning as I go. If for some reason you
didn't comprehend that previously, the work shown on my tiktok page should
make it quite clear.

I wouldn't mind shadowing someone who does this for a living or has a shop
to do it on the side, but, I don't have that luxury. I can only practice my
welding as weather and available free time permits. I do not have a dedicated
'welding space' where I can just walk away and come back to things later and
resume right where I left off. It's not like that at all. So, I'd have a lot
of scheduling conflicts and likely just irritate the individual willing to
show me those tricks without meaning to do so. I have to work, got bills to
pay.

So atleast for now, if I want to do this welding thing, I have to do it on
my own; using whatever resources and knowledgebases on the subject I can
find. At the end of the day though, no amount of reading and watching videos
is going to compensate for actually doing it; Only by actually doing it
repeatedly do you become good to great at it. You have to get your hands
dirty to learn this one. It's not I'll just read a book or two, maybe watch
a video or two and as if by magic, you're a welder. *lol* You've gotta fire
that machine up, get something to weld on, and practice. And practice. And
practice some more.

Then you've gotta be able to transition or move to an entirely different
machine, adjust it to your preferences and continue with your practice, on
your own. You shouldn't need someone else to set the rig up for you, *you*
should be able to do that. And once you get good at one method, it's time to
learn another one and rinse and repeat until you are decent to damn good in
all of them.
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Regardless, I am impressed by your work to date. Well done! ;-)
Thank you. Really. It's appreciated. I have very limited time to practice.
But, I've got myself a very nasty case of welders bug. I've bought my 2nd
welder already and it hasn't even been a few months since I got my first
one. :) It's a good addiction to have though, I suppose.
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