Question for the Yanks ...

[T i m]

I just heard on the radio that there is a bird flu epidemic over there
but Trump has issued a dictate that it shouldn't be mentioned in the
news or anywhere?

Apparently it's already jumped species and has been found in some calves
milk (you know, the milk cows produce for *their* babies, not for human
or any other species baby) and someone has already died from it?


We (in the UK) are apparently already keeping all our factory farmed
birds indoors (so no change there for most of them) but when are we
doing to learn that most bird 'sheds' and 'factories' are a Petri dishes
for these viruses ... and how many want another pandemic?

Don't look up ...

Cheers, T i m

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Post by T i m
I just heard on the radio that there is a bird flu epidemic over there
but Trump has issued a dictate that it shouldn't be mentioned in the
news or anywhere?
Apparently it's already jumped species and has been found in some calves
milk (you know, the milk cows produce for *their* babies, not for human
or any other species baby) and someone has already died from it?
We (in the UK) are apparently already keeping all our factory farmed
birds indoors (so no change there for most of them) but when are we
doing to learn that most bird 'sheds' and 'factories' are a Petri dishes
for these viruses ... and how many want another pandemic?
Don't look up ...
Cheers, T i m

it's not a real panic yet but something is going on

[Mike Easter]

Trump has issued a dictate that it shouldn't be mentioned in the news or
anywhere?

Don't believe everything you hear in the 'winged' news; whether your
winged news is L or R wing.

Both of those elements of political discourse lie like dogs about
everything under the sun; that lying also applies to Trump during his
recent and past stumping; I don't know if he is going to continue to lie
in his public appearances as pres.

Presently avian flu hasn't become much of a problem for other species
(yet, perhaps).

Avian flu actually came about 'the other way around' ie being a
'derivative' of a flu virus affecting humans, other mammals, and birds
which got to be really bad for birds as its specific HPAI which has been
breaking out killing gobs and gobs of poultry since 1959.

You might not like it, but the most important thing about such as HPAI
(and its derivatives) is that 20% of the protein in developed countries
comes from poultry, and such a disease has a significant impact on that
industry and economics in general.

If left wingers are trying to make a big and direct threat of avian flu
to humans to try to get us to isolate or shut down or mask or some other
inappropriate health measures like they have tried to do in the past w/
such as Covid which WAS a genuine threat, then maybe the
'counter-forces' are trying to get them to not tell lies about it.

[FromTheRafters]

Trump has issued a dictate that it shouldn't be mentioned in the news or
anywhere?

Don't believe everything you hear in the 'winged' news; whether your winged
news is L or R wing.
Both of those elements of political discourse lie like dogs about everything
under the sun; that lying also applies to Trump during his recent and past
stumping; I don't know if he is going to continue to lie in his public
appearances as pres.
Presently avian flu hasn't become much of a problem for other species (yet,
perhaps).
Avian flu actually came about 'the other way around' ie being a 'derivative'
of a flu virus affecting humans, other mammals, and birds which got to be
really bad for birds as its specific HPAI which has been breaking out killing
gobs and gobs of poultry since 1959.
You might not like it, but the most important thing about such as HPAI (and
its derivatives) is that 20% of the protein in developed countries comes from
poultry, and such a disease has a significant impact on that industry and
economics in general.
If left wingers are trying to make a big and direct threat of avian flu to
humans to try to get us to isolate or shut down or mask or some other
inappropriate health measures like they have tried to do in the past w/ such
as Covid which WAS a genuine threat, then maybe the 'counter-forces' are
trying to get them to not tell lies about it.

RonO in talk.origins has been posting on this H5N1 related topic for a
long time. It seems this avian flu is affecting cows/dairy workers and
some humans have been affected. It just figures that our population
would politicize it. Is CDC supposed to be another secret three letter
orginization?

[FromTheRafters]

Trump has issued a dictate that it shouldn't be mentioned in the news or
anywhere?

Don't believe everything you hear in the 'winged' news; whether your winged
news is L or R wing.
Both of those elements of political discourse lie like dogs about
everything under the sun; that lying also applies to Trump during his
recent and past stumping; I don't know if he is going to continue to lie in
his public appearances as pres.
Presently avian flu hasn't become much of a problem for other species (yet,
perhaps).
Avian flu actually came about 'the other way around' ie being a
'derivative' of a flu virus affecting humans, other mammals, and birds
which got to be really bad for birds as its specific HPAI which has been
breaking out killing gobs and gobs of poultry since 1959.
You might not like it, but the most important thing about such as HPAI (and
its derivatives) is that 20% of the protein in developed countries comes
from poultry, and such a disease has a significant impact on that industry
and economics in general.
If left wingers are trying to make a big and direct threat of avian flu to
humans to try to get us to isolate or shut down or mask or some other
inappropriate health measures like they have tried to do in the past w/
such as Covid which WAS a genuine threat, then maybe the 'counter-forces'
are trying to get them to not tell lies about it.

RonO in talk.origins has been posting on this H5N1 related topic for a long
time. It seems this avian flu is affecting cows/dairy workers and some humans
have been affected. It just figures that our population would politicize it.
Is CDC supposed to be another secret three letter orginization?

Yes, I spelled organization wrong.

[Mike Easter]

It seems this avian flu is affecting cows/dairy workers and some humans
have been affected.

That 'is affecting' is correct; not really in a big way; the humans are
those who have close association w/ the poultry, and the cows are also
uncommonly involved. There is nothing new about that 'mistaken' species
for such viruses which are 'basically' the same virus which can affect
many species. You might say that the 'really bad for birds' HPAI
version 'reverts' to its origins as a 'ubiquitous' flu virus affecting
many species sometimes.

That's what viruses do. Any virus can automagically turn into something
worse or different. That problem is especially bad if there is human
intervention in the so-called 'gain-of-function' research; there is
plenty of room and fodder for conspiracy theories there such as for covid.

I don't have a dog in that hunt. I don't know whether covid evolved
from the bat virus or was cooked up on purpose or by accident in a Wuhan
lab.

[FromTheRafters]

It seems this avian flu is affecting cows/dairy workers and some humans
have been affected.

That 'is affecting' is correct; not really in a big way; the humans are those
who have close association w/ the poultry, and the cows are also uncommonly
involved. There is nothing new about that 'mistaken' species for such
viruses which are 'basically' the same virus which can affect many species.
You might say that the 'really bad for birds' HPAI version 'reverts' to its
origins as a 'ubiquitous' flu virus affecting many species sometimes.
That's what viruses do. Any virus can automagically turn into something
worse or different. That problem is especially bad if there is human
intervention in the so-called 'gain-of-function' research; there is plenty of
room and fodder for conspiracy theories there such as for covid.
I don't have a dog in that hunt. I don't know whether covid evolved from the
bat virus or was cooked up on purpose or by accident in a Wuhan lab.

I believe what I had read before all the hype. Once politicized,
purported science can no longer be trusted if the source relating it
cannot.

[T i m]

On 26/01/2025 09:30, FromTheRafters wrote:

<snip predicted ME denial>

Post by FromTheRafters
RonO in talk.origins has been posting on this H5N1 related topic for a
long time. It seems this avian flu is affecting cows/dairy workers and
some humans have been affected.

That's what I heard, on LBC news. I'm not sure what ME thinks us
reporting on Trump stifling 'fact' on any health risks to folk in the
USA is a political thing either way?

Post by FromTheRafters
It just figures that our population
would politicize it.

ME certainly tries to as a form of spreading FUD around the facts.

How can cramming 10,000 birds into a shed for the 42 days they live
(without clearing up after them or removing the dead and injured) *not*
be a Petri dish for the next virus strain and Zoonotic Pandemic?

Post by FromTheRafters
Is CDC supposed to be another secret three letter
orginization?

Like W.H.O. you mean, something else the loon Trump wants to ignore
whilst taking all his crazed supporters down with him?

Maybe he / they will all be Darwin award winners soon? ;-)

[Mike Easter]

Post by T i m
10,000 birds into a shed

I hear that 40% and increasing of egg laying poultry is cage-free. I
suspect that 'cage-free' requirement also specifies housing, feeding,
and sanitation requirements, but then I'm not a poulter-whatever

[Brock McNuggets]

Post by Mike Easter

Post by T i m
10,000 birds into a shed

I hear that 40% and increasing of egg laying poultry is cage-free. I
suspect that 'cage-free' requirement also specifies housing, feeding,
and sanitation requirements, but then I'm not a poulter-whatever

If I tend to chickens am I a chicken tender?

[T i m]

Post by T i m
10,000 birds into a shed

I hear that 40% and increasing of egg laying poultry is cage-free.  I
suspect that 'cage-free' requirement also specifies housing, feeding,
and sanitation requirements, but then I'm not a poulter-whatever

We (in the UK) are better than many re animal welfare but all of is is
just determining what level of animal suffering we consider acceptable.

Higher welfare is like giving your slaves water twice a day rather than
once. Higher welfare doesn't make it right, it just makes it less wrong
(but still no consolation to those suffering of course).

Chickens like any other bird are only comfortable in social groups of a
certain maximum size (sometimes down to solo or breeding pairs) where
for chickens that's around 100.

Any more and they can't track who is part of their flock or no and
that's when the natural 'pecking order' breaks down, causing stress for
all and so the 'need' for beak trimming etc.

So for chickens are are going to eat, they are raised in a hatchery then
emptied into a large building where they stay for typically 42 days,
forced to put on weight faster than their limbs (especially legs and
breast bones) can keep up with so they end up with broken bones.

The waste is left and becomes ever-increasing toxic / pungent, forcing
worker entering the building to wear breathing apparatus.

42 days later the birds are gathered up (often mechanically like a big
road sweeper) to be killed, the waste bulldozed out and the building
filled with 10,000 more chicks from the hatchery.

Now, I appreciate you wouldn't see any issues with any of that, they are
'only animals' after all, forgetting we are also 'just animals' and even
those animals enjoy their own autonomy and to be free of pain and suffering.

T i m

[T i m]

On 26/01/2025 01:06, T i m wrote:

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5106000-federal-communications-ban-bird-flu-response/

T i m

[Mike Easter]

Post by T i m
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5106000-federal-communications-ban-bird-flu-response/

If I were to hazard a guess, I would say that Trump does not consider
the CDC's 'spin' on this health issue to be accurate at the present
time, and he doesn't have fixes for whatever he perceives as 'b0rken' in
the CDC yet.

This so-called 'ban' (by adverse media) is due to expire in 4 days.

[Mike Easter]

Post by Mike Easter

Post by T i m
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5106000-federal-communications-ban-bird-flu-response/

If I were to hazard a guess, I would say that Trump does not consider
the CDC's 'spin' on this health issue to be accurate at the present
time, and he doesn't have fixes for whatever he perceives as 'b0rken' in
the CDC yet.
This so-called 'ban' (by adverse media) is due to expire in 4 days.

- I do /not/ consider The Hill to be 'adverse media', part of a
neutral news enterprise
- MANY consider the .us response's to covid which was so economically
devastating which devastation was 'spearheaded' by recommendations from
the CDC to have been largely unnecessary; that is, it didn't have to be
as bad as it was
- there are probably attitudes w/in the Trump admin that the CDC needs
'fixing' and perhaps/likely that WHO /can't/ be fixed by the Trump admin