Discussion:
OT - Do Prostate Biopsies Promote the Spread of Cancer Cells?
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David (Devon)
2024-11-17 11:27:20 UTC
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This article may be of interest to some folk reading here:-

https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/do-prostate-biopsies-promote-spread-cancer-cells-2024a1000jj8

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I've been tested regularly since "a man on a boat" mentioned PSA tests
to me /many/ years ago.
FromTheRafters
2024-11-17 11:44:05 UTC
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Post by David (Devon)
This article may be of interest to some folk reading here:-
https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/do-prostate-biopsies-promote-spread-cancer-cells-2024a1000jj8
https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-researchers-find-cancer-biopsies-do-not-promote-cancer-spread/
David (Devon)
2024-11-17 12:10:27 UTC
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This article may be of interest to some folk reading here:-
https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/do-prostate-biopsies-promote-
spread-cancer-cells-2024a1000jj8
https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-researchers-find-
cancer-biopsies-do-not-promote-cancer-spread/
Thank you. YOUR article is nearly 10 years old though.

I am no medic!
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David
FromTheRafters
2024-11-17 12:30:23 UTC
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Post by David (Devon)
This article may be of interest to some folk reading here:-
https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/do-prostate-biopsies-promote-
spread-cancer-cells-2024a1000jj8
https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-researchers-find-
cancer-biopsies-do-not-promote-cancer-spread/
Thank you. YOUR article is nearly 10 years old though.
I am no medic!
This one is more recent and is referencing the procedure I underwent.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7518687/
David (Devon)
2024-11-17 12:35:13 UTC
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This article may be of interest to some folk reading here:-
https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/do-prostate-biopsies-promote-
spread-cancer-cells-2024a1000jj8
https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-researchers-find-
cancer-biopsies-do-not-promote-cancer-spread/
Thank you. YOUR article is nearly 10 years old though.
I am no medic!
This one is more recent and is referencing the procedure I underwent.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7518687/
That's very assuring. Thanks.

When do you expect to learn the results of your tests?
FromTheRafters
2024-11-17 21:32:59 UTC
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This article may be of interest to some folk reading here:-
https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/do-prostate-biopsies-promote-
spread-cancer-cells-2024a1000jj8
https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-researchers-find-
cancer-biopsies-do-not-promote-cancer-spread/
Thank you. YOUR article is nearly 10 years old though.
I am no medic!
This one is more recent and is referencing the procedure I underwent.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7518687/
That's very assuring. Thanks.
When do you expect to learn the results of your tests?
Before the end of the month.
Snit
2024-11-17 22:11:21 UTC
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This article may be of interest to some folk reading here:-
https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/do-prostate-biopsies-promote-
spread-cancer-cells-2024a1000jj8
https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-researchers-find-
cancer-biopsies-do-not-promote-cancer-spread/
Thank you. YOUR article is nearly 10 years old though.
I am no medic!
This one is more recent and is referencing the procedure I underwent.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7518687/
That's very assuring. Thanks.
When do you expect to learn the results of your tests?
Before the end of the month.
Fingers crossed.
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David (Devon)
2024-11-17 22:36:29 UTC
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This article may be of interest to some folk reading here:-
https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/do-prostate-biopsies-
promote- spread-cancer-cells-2024a1000jj8
https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-researchers-
find- cancer-biopsies-do-not-promote-cancer-spread/
Thank you. YOUR article is nearly 10 years old though.
I am no medic!
This one is more recent and is referencing the procedure I underwent.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7518687/
That's very assuring. Thanks.
When do you expect to learn the results of your tests?
Before the end of the month.
Are you feeling OK? Have you become anxious?

Is you sister looking after you?!!
FromTheRafters
2024-11-18 11:37:17 UTC
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This article may be of interest to some folk reading here:-
https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/do-prostate-biopsies- promote-
spread-cancer-cells-2024a1000jj8
https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-researchers- find-
cancer-biopsies-do-not-promote-cancer-spread/
Thank you. YOUR article is nearly 10 years old though.
I am no medic!
This one is more recent and is referencing the procedure I underwent.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7518687/
That's very assuring. Thanks.
When do you expect to learn the results of your tests?
Before the end of the month.
Are you feeling OK?
Yes.
Post by David (Devon)
Have you become anxious?
Every once in a while it hits me, but mostly I just think about how
lucky I have been to live this long.
Post by David (Devon)
Is you sister looking after you?!!
She drove me to the hospital and back because I was on Xanax for the
procedure. Now, if I could just stop bleeding things would be almost
back to normal.
Snit
2024-11-18 13:47:12 UTC
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This article may be of interest to some folk reading here:-
https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/do-prostate-biopsies- promote-
spread-cancer-cells-2024a1000jj8
https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-researchers- find-
cancer-biopsies-do-not-promote-cancer-spread/
Thank you. YOUR article is nearly 10 years old though.
I am no medic!
This one is more recent and is referencing the procedure I underwent.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7518687/
That's very assuring. Thanks.
When do you expect to learn the results of your tests?
Before the end of the month.
Are you feeling OK?
Yes.
Post by David (Devon)
Have you become anxious?
Every once in a while it hits me, but mostly I just think about how
lucky I have been to live this long.
Post by David (Devon)
Is you sister looking after you?!!
She drove me to the hospital and back because I was on Xanax for the
procedure. Now, if I could just stop bleeding things would be almost
back to normal.
Know it does not do much, but thinking of you... even when not posting to /
about you. Wishing you the best.

Sincerely hope Carroll and others do not decide your health issues are a
reason to attack you. Be careful in what you post.
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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
FromTheRafters
2024-11-18 14:21:22 UTC
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This article may be of interest to some folk reading here:-
https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/do-prostate-biopsies- promote-
spread-cancer-cells-2024a1000jj8
https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-researchers- find-
cancer-biopsies-do-not-promote-cancer-spread/
Thank you. YOUR article is nearly 10 years old though.
I am no medic!
This one is more recent and is referencing the procedure I underwent.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7518687/
That's very assuring. Thanks.
When do you expect to learn the results of your tests?
Before the end of the month.
Are you feeling OK?
Yes.
Post by David (Devon)
Have you become anxious?
Every once in a while it hits me, but mostly I just think about how
lucky I have been to live this long.
Post by David (Devon)
Is you sister looking after you?!!
She drove me to the hospital and back because I was on Xanax for the
procedure. Now, if I could just stop bleeding things would be almost
back to normal.
Know it does not do much, but thinking of you... even when not posting to /
about you. Wishing you the best.
Sincerely hope Carroll and others do not decide your health issues are a
reason to attack you. Be careful in what you post.
Thanks. I'm aware.
pothead
2024-11-18 15:48:59 UTC
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This article may be of interest to some folk reading here:-
https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/do-prostate-biopsies- promote-
spread-cancer-cells-2024a1000jj8
https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-researchers- find-
cancer-biopsies-do-not-promote-cancer-spread/
Thank you. YOUR article is nearly 10 years old though.
I am no medic!
This one is more recent and is referencing the procedure I underwent.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7518687/
That's very assuring. Thanks.
When do you expect to learn the results of your tests?
Before the end of the month.
Are you feeling OK?
Yes.
Post by David (Devon)
Have you become anxious?
Every once in a while it hits me, but mostly I just think about how
lucky I have been to live this long.
Post by David (Devon)
Is you sister looking after you?!!
She drove me to the hospital and back because I was on Xanax for the
procedure. Now, if I could just stop bleeding things would be almost
back to normal.
Know it does not do much, but thinking of you... even when not posting to /
about you. Wishing you the best.
Sincerely hope Carroll and others do not decide your health issues are a
reason to attack you. Be careful in what you post.
Thanks. I'm aware.
Hope everything works out well for you.
Just some encouragement, my dad survived 2 cases of Prostate Cancer and lived well into
his mid 90's.
Not sure what treatment for first case involved but second one was treated with that high tech robot
laser thing with minor side effects.
Best wishes.
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FromTheRafters
2024-11-18 17:32:11 UTC
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This article may be of interest to some folk reading here:-
https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/do-prostate-biopsies-
promote- spread-cancer-cells-2024a1000jj8
https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-researchers-
find- cancer-biopsies-do-not-promote-cancer-spread/
Thank you. YOUR article is nearly 10 years old though.
I am no medic!
This one is more recent and is referencing the procedure I underwent.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7518687/
That's very assuring. Thanks.
When do you expect to learn the results of your tests?
Before the end of the month.
Are you feeling OK?
Yes.
Post by David (Devon)
Have you become anxious?
Every once in a while it hits me, but mostly I just think about how
lucky I have been to live this long.
Post by David (Devon)
Is you sister looking after you?!!
She drove me to the hospital and back because I was on Xanax for the
procedure. Now, if I could just stop bleeding things would be almost
back to normal.
Know it does not do much, but thinking of you... even when not posting to /
about you. Wishing you the best.
Sincerely hope Carroll and others do not decide your health issues are a
reason to attack you. Be careful in what you post.
Thanks. I'm aware.
Hope everything works out well for you.
Just some encouragement, my dad survived 2 cases of Prostate Cancer and lived
well into his mid 90's.
Not sure what treatment for first case involved but second one was treated
with that high tech robot laser thing with minor side effects.
Best wishes.
Thanks, that is encouraging.
pothead
2024-11-18 22:08:54 UTC
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This article may be of interest to some folk reading here:-
https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/do-prostate-biopsies-
promote- spread-cancer-cells-2024a1000jj8
https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-researchers-
find- cancer-biopsies-do-not-promote-cancer-spread/
Thank you. YOUR article is nearly 10 years old though.
I am no medic!
This one is more recent and is referencing the procedure I underwent.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7518687/
That's very assuring. Thanks.
When do you expect to learn the results of your tests?
Before the end of the month.
Are you feeling OK?
Yes.
Post by David (Devon)
Have you become anxious?
Every once in a while it hits me, but mostly I just think about how
lucky I have been to live this long.
Post by David (Devon)
Is you sister looking after you?!!
She drove me to the hospital and back because I was on Xanax for the
procedure. Now, if I could just stop bleeding things would be almost
back to normal.
Know it does not do much, but thinking of you... even when not posting to /
about you. Wishing you the best.
Sincerely hope Carroll and others do not decide your health issues are a
reason to attack you. Be careful in what you post.
Thanks. I'm aware.
Hope everything works out well for you.
Just some encouragement, my dad survived 2 cases of Prostate Cancer and lived
well into his mid 90's.
Not sure what treatment for first case involved but second one was treated
with that high tech robot laser thing with minor side effects.
Best wishes.
Thanks, that is encouraging.
You got this !
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Snit
2024-11-18 15:50:34 UTC
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This article may be of interest to some folk reading here:-
https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/do-prostate-biopsies- promote-
spread-cancer-cells-2024a1000jj8
https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-researchers- find-
cancer-biopsies-do-not-promote-cancer-spread/
Thank you. YOUR article is nearly 10 years old though.
I am no medic!
This one is more recent and is referencing the procedure I underwent.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7518687/
That's very assuring. Thanks.
When do you expect to learn the results of your tests?
Before the end of the month.
Are you feeling OK?
Yes.
Post by David (Devon)
Have you become anxious?
Every once in a while it hits me, but mostly I just think about how
lucky I have been to live this long.
Post by David (Devon)
Is you sister looking after you?!!
She drove me to the hospital and back because I was on Xanax for the
procedure. Now, if I could just stop bleeding things would be almost
back to normal.
Know it does not do much, but thinking of you... even when not posting to /
about you. Wishing you the best.
Sincerely hope Carroll and others do not decide your health issues are a
reason to attack you. Be careful in what you post.
Thanks. I'm aware.
Good. It is a shame. And not just him... just in general trolling / doxxing
have gotten MUCH worse over the last 30 years.
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2024-11-18 15:35:44 UTC
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Post by FromTheRafters
She drove me to the hospital and back because I was on Xanax for the
procedure. Now, if I could just stop bleeding things would be almost
back to normal.
Sounds like: no guitar playing for now :-(
Post by Snit
Know it does not do much, but thinking of you... even when not posting to /
about you. Wishing you the best.
Sincerely hope Carroll and others do not decide your health issues are a
reason to attack you. Be careful in what you post.
As he's not a person who has lied about, or to, virtually everyone he's
come into contact with on usenet and then screamed "attack" when they
respond, he has nothing to worry about.
FromTheRafters
2024-11-18 17:38:07 UTC
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She drove me to the hospital and back because I was on Xanax for the
procedure. Now, if I could just stop bleeding things would be almost
back to normal.
Sounds like: no guitar playing for now :-(
No, I still play. Playing the electric guitar too long makes me lazy
and unable to play some of the same things on the acoustic guitar. The
frets above the twelfth are a bit crowded on the acoustic and don't
ring well, love the electric though.
[...]
Steve Carroll
2024-11-18 20:40:25 UTC
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Post by FromTheRafters
She drove me to the hospital and back because I was on Xanax for the
procedure. Now, if I could just stop bleeding things would be almost
back to normal.
Sounds like: no guitar playing for now :-(
No, I still play. Playing the electric guitar too long makes me lazy
and unable to play some of the same things on the acoustic guitar. The
frets above the twelfth are a bit crowded on the acoustic and don't
ring well, love the electric though.
[...]
Lazy, that's a good way to put it! You can always just play slide when
things get too tough ;)
FromTheRafters
2024-11-18 22:03:52 UTC
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Post by FromTheRafters
She drove me to the hospital and back because I was on Xanax for the
procedure. Now, if I could just stop bleeding things would be almost
back to normal.
Sounds like: no guitar playing for now :-(
No, I still play. Playing the electric guitar too long makes me lazy
and unable to play some of the same things on the acoustic guitar. The
frets above the twelfth are a bit crowded on the acoustic and don't
ring well, love the electric though.
[...]
Lazy, that's a good way to put it! You can always just play slide when
things get too tough ;)
I haven't even experimented much with slide style playing.
David (Devon)
2024-11-18 14:27:18 UTC
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This article may be of interest to some folk reading here:-
https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/do-prostate-biopsies-
promote- spread-cancer-cells-2024a1000jj8
https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-researchers-
find- cancer-biopsies-do-not-promote-cancer-spread/
Thank you. YOUR article is nearly 10 years old though.
I am no medic!
This one is more recent and is referencing the procedure I underwent.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7518687/
That's very assuring. Thanks.
When do you expect to learn the results of your tests?
Before the end of the month.
Are you feeling OK?
Yes.
✅
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Post by David (Devon)
Have you become anxious?
Every once in a while it hits me, but mostly I just think about how
lucky I have been to live this long.
Only the good die young! ;-)

We're a bit like a family now. Chat here about anything if it helps.
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Post by David (Devon)
Is you sister looking after you?!!
She drove me to the hospital and back because I was on Xanax for the
procedure. Now, if I could just stop bleeding things would be almost
back to normal.
Good luck my friend. 🙂

If YOU think it might help, I will pray for you.
Let me know your wishes.
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Mike Easter
2024-11-17 17:39:51 UTC
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This one is more recent and is referencing the procedure I underwent.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7518687/
The greatest 'harm' that comes from the sequences of PSA testing
followed by prostate biopsies is not from cancer spread (which is a
complicated subject when applied to myriad different cancer biopsy
studies) but from the 'overtreatment' which so often follows getting
'some kind of' prostate cancer diagnosis based on the Gleason scoring of
the biopsies.

If the PSA testing hadn't led to the prostate biopsies and the prostate
biopsies hadn't lead to the overtreatment procedures, the patient would
have done just fine (so to speak) w/o the treatment he got because of
the biopsy result 'problem'.

Nobody wants to have some kind of cancer diagnosis sitting in their
bodies and they are very susceptible, even desirous, of treatment of
their prostate cancer; whereas they would be better off w/o that diagnosis.
--
Mike Easter
Chris
2024-11-18 07:59:33 UTC
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Post by FromTheRafters
This one is more recent and is referencing the procedure I underwent.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7518687/
The greatest 'harm' that comes from the sequences of PSA testing
followed by prostate biopsies is not from cancer spread (which is a
complicated subject when applied to myriad different cancer biopsy
studies) but from the 'overtreatment' which so often follows getting
'some kind of' prostate cancer diagnosis based on the Gleason scoring of
the biopsies.
If the PSA testing hadn't led to the prostate biopsies and the prostate
biopsies hadn't lead to the overtreatment procedures, the patient would
have done just fine (so to speak) w/o the treatment he got because of
the biopsy result 'problem'.
Nobody wants to have some kind of cancer diagnosis sitting in their
bodies and they are very susceptible, even desirous, of treatment of
their prostate cancer; whereas they would be better off w/o that diagnosis.
Do you have some evidence to support that or is it just your opinion?
Mike Easter
2024-11-18 19:27:50 UTC
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Post by Mike Easter
Post by FromTheRafters
This one is more recent and is referencing the procedure I
underwent.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7518687/
The greatest 'harm' that comes from the sequences of PSA testing
followed by prostate biopsies is not from cancer spread (which is
a complicated subject when applied to myriad different cancer
biopsy studies) but from the 'overtreatment' which so often follows
getting 'some kind of' prostate cancer diagnosis based on the
Gleason scoring of the biopsies.
If the PSA testing hadn't led to the prostate biopsies and the
prostate biopsies hadn't lead to the overtreatment procedures, the
patient would have done just fine (so to speak) w/o the treatment
he got because of the biopsy result 'problem'.
Nobody wants to have some kind of cancer diagnosis sitting in
their bodies and they are very susceptible, even desirous, of
treatment of their prostate cancer; whereas they would be better
off w/o that diagnosis.
Do you have some evidence to support that or is it just your
opinion?
When lots of PSA testing was being done which PSA testing led to lots of
biopsies, the vast majority of prostate 'cancer' (cancer has a lot of
different definitions) was 'low end', not advanced. Urologists being
urologists 'like to' operate, like lawyers like to litigate and
harborers of cancer don't like to keep it inside them, so they are very
receptive to treatment of prostate 'cancer'. But low end prostate
cancer is NOT likely to kill you or even 'hurt' you, whereas various
treatments for prostate cancer have all kinds of harmful effects.

Consequently, the advice became, don't do PSA testing for men over 70 in
the .us.
Post by Chris
Prostate cancer is also extremely heterogeneous: most prostate
cancers are indolent and would never progress to a clinically
meaningful stage if left undiagnosed and untreated during a man's
lifetime.
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Mike Easter
Mike Easter
2024-11-18 20:11:26 UTC
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Consequently, the advice became, don't do PSA testing for men over 70
in the .us.
Post by Chris
Prostate cancer is also extremely heterogeneous: most prostate
cancers are indolent and would never progress to a clinically
meaningful stage if left undiagnosed and untreated during a man's
lifetime.
If we could 'manage' human behaviors and attitudes and emotions
Post by Mike Easter
On the other hand, a subset are potentially lethal, and screening can
identify some of these within a window of opportunity for cure.[56]
Thus, PSA screening is advocated by some as a means of detecting
high-risk, potentially lethal prostate cancer, with the understanding
that lower-risk disease, if discovered, often does not need treatment
and may be amenable to active surveillance.
For example, in the case of cervical cancer, which can be a terrible
disease when advanced, we can *see* it as a 'pre-cancerous' condition,
and 'mess with it' and observe it and do all kinds of minor watchful
waiting and simple treatments. But prostate 'pre-cancer' and 'mild
cancer' doesn't lend itself to that strategy, so men are more likely and
many of their doctors are 'more likely' to want to do something more
aggressive about it.
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Mike Easter
Chris
2024-11-19 12:40:06 UTC
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Post by FromTheRafters
This one is more recent and is referencing the procedure I
underwent.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7518687/
The greatest 'harm' that comes from the sequences of PSA testing
followed by prostate biopsies is not from cancer spread (which is
a complicated subject when applied to myriad different cancer
biopsy studies) but from the 'overtreatment' which so often follows
getting 'some kind of' prostate cancer diagnosis based on the
Gleason scoring of the biopsies.
If the PSA testing hadn't led to the prostate biopsies and the
prostate biopsies hadn't lead to the overtreatment procedures, the
patient would have done just fine (so to speak) w/o the treatment
he got because of the biopsy result 'problem'.
Nobody wants to have some kind of cancer diagnosis sitting in
their bodies and they are very susceptible, even desirous, of
treatment of their prostate cancer; whereas they would be better
off w/o that diagnosis.
Do you have some evidence to support that or is it just your
opinion?
When lots of PSA testing was being done which PSA testing led to lots of
biopsies, the vast majority of prostate 'cancer' (cancer has a lot of
different definitions) was 'low end', not advanced. Urologists being
urologists 'like to' operate, like lawyers like to litigate and
harborers of cancer don't like to keep it inside them, so they are very
receptive to treatment of prostate 'cancer'. But low end prostate
cancer is NOT likely to kill you or even 'hurt' you, whereas various
treatments for prostate cancer have all kinds of harmful effects.
Ok, so just an opinion.
Post by Mike Easter
Consequently, the advice became, don't do PSA testing for men over 70 in
the .us.
Post by Chris
Prostate cancer is also extremely heterogeneous: most prostate
cancers are indolent and would never progress to a clinically
meaningful stage if left undiagnosed and untreated during a man's
lifetime.
Mike Easter
2024-11-17 17:31:08 UTC
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I've been tested regularly since "a man on a boat" mentioned PSA
tests to me /many/ years ago.
In the .us, that advice has been superseded and routine PSA testing is
no longer advised in the manner it once was.
Post by David (Devon)
Clinical practice guidelines for prostate cancer screening vary and
are controversial, in part due to uncertainty as to whether the
benefits of screening ultimately outweigh the risks of overdiagnosis
and overtreatment.
In the United Kingdom, the National Health Service (NHS) as of 2018
does not mandate, nor advise for PSA test, but allows patients to
decide based on their doctor's advice.[11] The NHS does not offer
general PSA screening, for similar reasons.
Of those found to have prostate cancer, overtreatment is common
because most cases of prostate cancer are not expected to cause any
symptoms due to low rate of growth of the prostate tumor. Therefore,
many will experience the side effects of treatment,
In the .us, those over 70 are advised to not.
Post by David (Devon)
In those over the age of 70, PSA based screening is still recommended against
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Mike Easter
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