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Arc - a new (ish) web browser
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David Brooks
2024-05-09 17:27:28 UTC
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Maybe you are already familiar but, just in case you are not, please
read here:-
https://arc.net/
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David
Mike Easter
2024-05-09 18:21:44 UTC
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Post by David Brooks
Maybe you are already familiar but, just in case you are not, please
read here:-
https://arc.net/
The Arc faq says that Arc is built w/ Swift from Chromium; they also say
that they 'have' (or are dev/ing) a business model to make money that
doesn't involve selling your data, but they don't say what it that model is.

Available only for W11 and Mac.

Some might find the discussion of the engine & changes from chromium
interesting
https://arc.net/security#browser-engine

Swift was dev/d at Apple and can run on linux. I'm not yet reading
about any programs dev/d in Swift for linux.
https://itsfoss.com/use-swift-linux/
Post by David Brooks
How to Use Swift Programming Language on Ubuntu
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Mike Easter
Tyrone
2024-05-09 22:12:03 UTC
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Post by Mike Easter
Post by David Brooks
Maybe you are already familiar but, just in case you are not, please
read here:-
https://arc.net/
The Arc faq says that Arc is built w/ Swift from Chromium; they also say
that they 'have' (or are dev/ing) a business model to make money that
doesn't involve selling your data, but they don't say what it that model is.
I am not interested in any company that "wants to build a business model" on a
browser.
Mike Easter
2024-05-10 00:41:35 UTC
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Post by Tyrone
Post by Mike Easter
The Arc faq says that Arc is built w/ Swift from Chromium; they
also say that they 'have' (or are dev/ing) a business model to make
money that doesn't involve selling your data, but they don't say
what it that model is.
I am not interested in any company that "wants to build a business
model" on a browser.
Well, I was 'paraphrasing' what they said/didn't say/.
Post by Tyrone
How does Arc plan to make money?
First things first: we will never sell your data and we will never
have a business that revolves around ads.
Don’t get us wrong — we plan to make a lot of money as a company, in
order to provide you (and ourselves) with the most wondrous and
personal internet experience for many years to come. To do that,
we’re excited about business models that align our incentives with
the people who we serve: from charging companies that want to
increase the productivity of their teams across the many tools they
use for work, to making it easier and safer to pay for things
online.
You tell me what they said/didn't say.

More:
https://arc.net/faq

What are your opinions on the Brave browser re 'business model'.

https://brave.com/faq/#how-brave-makes-money
Post by Tyrone
How does Brave make money?
The sale of New tab takeovers and Brave Ads, the first-party ad units that users opt into via our privacy-preserving ad platform. Note that opted-in users receive 70% of this ad revenue back in the form of BAT.
Subscriptions to our premium products, including Brave Firewall + VPN and Brave Talk Premium.
Nominal transaction fees attached to token swaps in Brave Wallet, and to creator tips and auto-contributions made via Brave Rewards.
Partnership deals (for example with platforms integrated into the Brave browser).
For more information, check out Brave’s transparency report.
That sounds like a Brave business model to me.
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Mike Easter
Mike Easter
2024-05-10 01:14:41 UTC
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Post by Mike Easter
That sounds like a Brave business model to me.
I found an article separate from Brave's which went into extensive
detail on the Brave biz model, but didn't provide me w/ a 'bottom line'
-- whether or not it was profitable. It is one thing to have venture
capital angels and a lot of 'customers', but somewhere along the way you
have to actually make a 'profit'.

This article implies that they are profitable, but it is possible that
the 'valuation' is based on what the venture capital stock is 'worth'
(whether it is profitable or not).

A different article:

https://medium.a41.io/web3-bat-series-3-brave-browsers-valuation-compared-to-opera-and-firefox-17d4faf39ea8
Post by Mike Easter
This article examines the revenue models of Brave Browser, Opera, and
Firefox, highlighting the differences in their sources of income and
average revenue per user.
1) Opera and Firefox generate most of their revenue from royalties
for using Google as their default search engine.
3) Compared to Opera and Firefox, the current value of Brave seems to
be around $500 million.
That article has a TL;DR section, but one really needs to read the
entire article to get the full picture comparing the 3 browsers, as they
are VERY different.

The article is 'cautiously optimistic' about Brave's potential for a
progressively profitable future and valuation depending on the famous
'future events'.

Altho' I've never used Brave, I feel 'positively' about their privacy
orientation, not so much about the 'complexity' of their ideas.
Post by Mike Easter
Written in JavaScript, Swift, C++
Engines Blink, V8, (WebKit on iOS)
Operating system
Windows 10 or later
macOS 10.15 or later
Linux
Android 8.0 or later
iOS 15.0 or later
Platform x86, x86-64, IA-32 (Windows, Linux, macOS), ARM, AArch64 (Android, iOS)
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Mike Easter
Mike Easter
2024-05-10 15:04:15 UTC
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Post by Mike Easter
Altho' I've never used Brave, I feel 'positively' about their
privacy orientation, not so much about the 'complexity' of their
ideas.
Is Brave fast? Does it use less RAM or less CPU?
Yes. Brave loads webpages 3x - 6x faster than other browsers. It
uses 33% less memory, and up to 50% less energy. All this translates
to measurable savings in RAM and CPU, mobile data and Wi-Fi
bandwidth savings,
Is the Brave browser safe?
Brave is one of the safest browsers on the market today. It blocks
privacy-invasive ads & trackers. It blocks third-party data storage.
It protects from browser fingerprinting. It upgrades every webpage
possible to secure HTTPS connections. And it does all this by
default.
It’s also built off the open-source Chromium project, which powers
browsers used by billions of people worldwide. This source code is
arguably vetted by more security researchers than any other browser.
In short, not only is Brave safe to use, it’s much safer than almost
any other browser.
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Mike Easter
Chris
2024-05-10 03:17:45 UTC
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Post by Tyrone
Post by Mike Easter
Post by David Brooks
Maybe you are already familiar but, just in case you are not, please
read here:-
https://arc.net/
The Arc faq says that Arc is built w/ Swift from Chromium; they also say
that they 'have' (or are dev/ing) a business model to make money that
doesn't involve selling your data, but they don't say what it that model is.
I am not interested in any company that "wants to build a business model" on a
browser.
How do you expect a browser business to survive?
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