X-No-Archive: Yes

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

The Apple guys should know!

--
David

Snit

2024-05-11 16:27:54 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

The Apple guys should know!

How would they know?

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

David Brooks

2024-05-11 17:18:27 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

The Apple guys should know!

How would they know?

This fellow is USING it!

From: Tyrone <***@none.none>
Newsgroups: uk.comp.sys.mac
Subject: Re: Usenapp for MacOS
X-No-Archive: Yes <------------ *NOTE*
References: <***@mid.individual.net>
User-Agent: Usenapp for MacOS
X-Usenapp: v1.27.2/l - Full License
Message-ID: <***@supernews.com>

Steve Carroll

2024-05-11 17:44:32 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

The Apple guys should know!

How would they know?

This fellow is USING it!
Newsgroups: uk.comp.sys.mac
Subject: Re: Usenapp for MacOS
X-No-Archive: Yes <------------ *NOTE*
User-Agent: Usenapp for MacOS
X-Usenapp: v1.27.2/l - Full License

What's your issue? Earlier, you seemed to have a problem with a number
of users not large enough for <fill in the blank in your head that makes
the dev 'bad' for such a small number>. But you don't even have a number
to go by, which makes it all the more irrational. Start there, Detective
Brooks! At the least, guesstimate based on something logical and *then*
pursue your irrational stance based on the number you come up with. Have
it make *some* kind of sense!

For example, look at how many people have commented over the years on
the support forum. Then do a search on the percentage of users who are
posting to the support forum for a given product (there are places
online where various people 'in the know' talk about the percentages
they get). To get something approaching reality, consider the platform,
the type of app, any attributes that may allow you to 'hone in on' a
more accurate ratio of forum respondents to the overall number of users.
Once you get a number you're comfortable with, apply it to the *unique*
usernames that have responded to the Usenapp forum. Here's the most
important part... before you begin make a cup of tea and while you're
waiting for it, recite this over and over until it's 'tea time':

Whining is not 'detecting'. Whining is not 'detecting'. Whining is not
'detecting'. Whining is not 'detecting'. Whining is not 'detecting'.
Whining is not 'detecting'. Whining is not 'detecting'. Whining is not
'detecting'...

;)

Snit

2024-05-11 19:20:15 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

The Apple guys should know!

How would they know?

This fellow is USING it!

You can download it and use it, too. Would that give you insight as to how
many others use it? If not, how does it help him?

I am using it, too. Does not give me such insight.

Post by David Brooks
Newsgroups: uk.comp.sys.mac
Subject: Re: Usenapp for MacOS
User-Agent: Usenapp for MacOS
X-Usenapp: v1.27.2/l - Full License

Gremlin

2024-06-06 18:32:27 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:-
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

The Apple guys should know!

How would they know?

This fellow is USING it!

You can download it and use it, too.

Did you read the subject of this thread? Did you pay attention to what David
is asking about? :)

How does one "download" the " X-No-Archive:" header line, exactly? ROFL...
Fucking idiot!

Post by Snit
Would that give you insight as to
how many others use it? If not, how does it help him?
I am using it, too. Does not give me such insight.

Did you have to download it, stupid? Muahawhahaa. David wasn't asking about
the app, you illiterate shitstain on the underwear of life. He was asking
about a specific line in the message header.
He wanted to know what it's supposed to do, and why it's not working for
howardknight.

Stop trying to convince people you can read for comprehension. It's very
clear you do not!

--
I don't need no Dr. All I need...is my lawyer.

Snit

2024-06-06 18:43:15 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:-
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

The Apple guys should know!

How would they know?

This fellow is USING it!

You can download it and use it, too.

Did you read the subject of this thread? Did you pay attention to what David
is asking about? :)
How does one "download" the " X-No-Archive:" header line, exactly? ROFL...
Fucking idiot!

Usenapp is not a header, it is an app. How can you get yourself so lost? LOL!

But this will be fun... to remind you how you claimed that Usenet is a header.
Another example of how badly you understand basic tech.

Post by Snit
Would that give you insight as to
how many others use it? If not, how does it help him?
I am using it, too. Does not give me such insight.

Did you have to download it, stupid? Muahawhahaa. David wasn't asking about
the app, you illiterate shitstain on the underwear of life. He was asking
about a specific line in the message header.
He wanted to know what it's supposed to do, and why it's not working for
howardknight.
Stop trying to convince people you can read for comprehension. It's very
clear you do not!

You really are lost. LOL!

pothead

2024-06-06 21:25:16 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:-
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

The Apple guys should know!

How would they know?

This fellow is USING it!

You can download it and use it, too.

Did you read the subject of this thread? Did you pay attention to what David
is asking about? :)
How does one "download" the " X-No-Archive:" header line, exactly? ROFL...
Fucking idiot!

Post by Snit
Would that give you insight as to
how many others use it? If not, how does it help him?
I am using it, too. Does not give me such insight.

Did you have to download it, stupid? Muahawhahaa. David wasn't asking about
the app, you illiterate shitstain on the underwear of life. He was asking
about a specific line in the message header.
He wanted to know what it's supposed to do, and why it's not working for
howardknight.
Stop trying to convince people you can read for comprehension. It's very
clear you do not!

I must have missed this one.
That is HILARIOUS!

The IT master has no clue.
It's obvious.

--
pothead
Joe Biden is the absolute WORST President Of the U.S. ever.
Nobody else is even close. Including Jimmy Carter.
Vote for ANYBODY but Joe Biden in 2024.

Snit

2024-06-07 00:49:27 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:-
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

The Apple guys should know!

How would they know?

This fellow is USING it!

You can download it and use it, too.

Did you read the subject of this thread? Did you pay attention to what David
is asking about? :)
How does one "download" the " X-No-Archive:" header line, exactly? ROFL...
Fucking idiot!

Post by Snit
Would that give you insight as to
how many others use it? If not, how does it help him?
I am using it, too. Does not give me such insight.

Did you have to download it, stupid? Muahawhahaa. David wasn't asking about
the app, you illiterate shitstain on the underwear of life. He was asking
about a specific line in the message header.
He wanted to know what it's supposed to do, and why it's not working for
howardknight.
Stop trying to convince people you can read for comprehension. It's very
clear you do not!

I must have missed this one.
That is HILARIOUS!
The IT master has no clue.
It's obvious.

You just, again, proved you are a shill.

https://jmp.sh/A3ek9Cfg

The video plays fine for me. LOL! Does for the US. Gremlin could not figure
out how to get it to play... and he is in the US.

This is delicious.

Charlie Glock

2024-06-07 20:49:19 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:-
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

The Apple guys should know!

How would they know?

This fellow is USING it!

You can download it and use it, too.

Did you read the subject of this thread? Did you pay attention to what David
is asking about? :)
How does one "download" the " X-No-Archive:" header line, exactly? ROFL...
Fucking idiot!

Post by Snit
Would that give you insight as to
how many others use it? If not, how does it help him?
I am using it, too. Does not give me such insight.

Did you have to download it, stupid? Muahawhahaa. David wasn't asking about
the app, you illiterate shitstain on the underwear of life. He was asking
about a specific line in the message header.
He wanted to know what it's supposed to do, and why it's not working for
howardknight.
Stop trying to convince people you can read for comprehension. It's very
clear you do not!

I must have missed this one.
That is HILARIOUS!
The IT master has no clue.
It's obvious.

You just, again, proved you are a shill.
https://jmp.sh/A3ek9Cfg
The video plays fine for me. LOL! Does for the US. Gremlin could not figure
out how to get it to play... and he is in the US.
This is delicious.

You are in change the subject and go into repeat mode again snit.
Got another bad batch of jenkem again?

--
Charlie Glock
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms"
- Thomas Jefferson 1776

Charlie Glock

2024-06-07 20:47:50 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:-
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

The Apple guys should know!

How would they know?

This fellow is USING it!

You can download it and use it, too.

Did you read the subject of this thread? Did you pay attention to what David
is asking about? :)
How does one "download" the " X-No-Archive:" header line, exactly? ROFL...
Fucking idiot!

Post by Snit
Would that give you insight as to
how many others use it? If not, how does it help him?
I am using it, too. Does not give me such insight.

Did you have to download it, stupid? Muahawhahaa. David wasn't asking about
the app, you illiterate shitstain on the underwear of life. He was asking
about a specific line in the message header.
He wanted to know what it's supposed to do, and why it's not working for
howardknight.
Stop trying to convince people you can read for comprehension. It's very
clear you do not!

I must have missed this one.
That is HILARIOUS!
The IT master has no clue.
It's obvious.

Snit is probably the worst tech person I have ever encountered in a supposed tech group. How the
hell he could have the nerve to pass himself off as a computer repair person is hysterical in
itself.

I'd say he has quite the set of balls, but I'm not sure if snit has any balls at all. I think he
might have had them snipped ion his lifelong quest to become a female.
I'll bet Anne knows.
Maybe I'll email her and ask.

--
Charlie Glock
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms"
- Thomas Jefferson 1776

Apd

2024-05-11 10:44:50 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?

What does what mean, the subject?

Post by David Brooks
Really.

After all this time on Usenet you don't know?

Post by David Brooks
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800

It used to mean something to one entity, but now:
<Loading Image...

Post by David Brooks
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

Is what broken?

Steve Carroll

2024-05-11 17:48:59 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?

What does what mean, the subject?

Post by David Brooks
Really.

After all this time on Usenet you don't know?

Post by David Brooks
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800

<https://i.ibb.co/CHzHdxQ/sheeit.jpg>

Another one I'd forgotten about.

Post by David Brooks
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

Is what broken?

That log he calls his head ;)

WTF is he getting at now? He's been trying to 'set up' the idea that the
Usenapp dev is 'bad' for awhile now but I can't figure his 'angle' here
<shrug>.

FromTheRafters

2024-05-11 18:05:38 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?

What does what mean, the subject?

Post by David Brooks
Really.

After all this time on Usenet you don't know?

Post by David Brooks
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800

<https://i.ibb.co/CHzHdxQ/sheeit.jpg>

Another one I'd forgotten about.

Post by David Brooks
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

Is what broken?

That log he calls his head ;)
WTF is he getting at now? He's been trying to 'set up' the idea that the
Usenapp dev is 'bad' for awhile now but I can't figure his 'angle' here
<shrug>.

His angle? Anyone who hides anything is suspect. The X-No-Archive
request means, to him, the poster is hiding something.

Gremlin

2024-06-06 18:32:28 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?

What does what mean, the subject?

Post by David Brooks
Really.

After all this time on Usenet you don't know?

Post by David Brooks
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800

<https://i.ibb.co/CHzHdxQ/sheeit.jpg>

Another one I'd forgotten about.

Post by David Brooks
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

Is what broken?

That log he calls his head ;)
WTF is he getting at now? He's been trying to 'set up' the idea that the
Usenapp dev is 'bad' for awhile now but I can't figure his 'angle' here
<shrug>.

His angle? Anyone who hides anything is suspect. The X-No-Archive
request means, to him, the poster is hiding something.

Well, Atleast you didn't tell him he could download it and use it too. <G>

From: Snit <***@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac
Subject: Re: X-No-Archive: Yes
Organization: Southern Nevada Institute of Technology
References: <***@mid.individual.net>
<***@mid.individual.net>
<663f9c8a$1$8103$***@reader.netnews.com>
<***@mid.individual.net>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=fixed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
User-Agent: Usenapp for MacOS
X-Usenapp: v1.27.2/l - Full License
Date: 11 May 2024 19:20:15 GMT
Lines: 42

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

The Apple guys should know!

How would they know?

This fellow is USING it!

You can download it and use it, too. Would that give you insight as to how
many others use it? If not, how does it help him?

I am using it, too. Does not give me such insight.

*** end share

FFS dude, why.. Why do you put up with him?

--
I don't need no Dr. All I need...is my lawyer.

Snit

2024-06-06 18:41:42 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?

What does what mean, the subject?

Post by David Brooks
Really.

After all this time on Usenet you don't know?

Post by David Brooks
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800

<https://i.ibb.co/CHzHdxQ/sheeit.jpg>

Another one I'd forgotten about.

Post by David Brooks
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

Is what broken?

That log he calls his head ;)
WTF is he getting at now? He's been trying to 'set up' the idea that the
Usenapp dev is 'bad' for awhile now but I can't figure his 'angle' here
<shrug>.

His angle? Anyone who hides anything is suspect. The X-No-Archive
request means, to him, the poster is hiding something.

Well, Atleast you didn't tell him he could download it and use it too. <G>
Newsgroups: alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac
Subject: Re: X-No-Archive: Yes
Organization: Southern Nevada Institute of Technology
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=fixed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
User-Agent: Usenapp for MacOS
X-Usenapp: v1.27.2/l - Full License
Date: 11 May 2024 19:20:15 GMT
Lines: 42

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

The Apple guys should know!

How would they know?

This fellow is USING it!

You can download it and use it, too. Would that give you insight as to how
many others use it? If not, how does it help him?
I am using it, too. Does not give me such insight.
*** end share
FFS dude, why.. Why do you put up with him?

Can you show any understanding of my comments? LOL!

All you are doing is showing you are intimidated by my knowledge and I live
rent free in your head.

Apd

2024-05-11 19:24:06 UTC

Post by Apd
<https://i.ibb.co/CHzHdxQ/sheeit.jpg>

Another one I'd forgotten about.

Mr Natural tells it like it is.

Post by Apd
Is what broken?

That log he calls his head ;)
WTF is he getting at now? He's been trying to 'set up' the idea that the
Usenapp dev is 'bad' for awhile now but I can't figure his 'angle' here
<shrug>.

He expects them to answer his questions and when they don't it's:

David Brooks

2024-05-11 21:01:03 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?

What does what mean, the subject?

Yes. This mentioned in a message header:- X-No-Archive: Yes

Post by David Brooks
Really.

After all this time on Usenet you don't know?

I thought it was designed so that a Usenet server would not retain a
copy of a specific post.
That doesn't 'work' though, so why include it in a header?

Post by David Brooks
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800

<https://i.ibb.co/CHzHdxQ/sheeit.jpg>

Agreed.

Post by David Brooks
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

Is what broken?

I'm not absolutely sure! Maybe a Usenet client which includes
X-No-Archive in a message header?

What would be the purpose in 2024?

On this page https://www.usenapp.com/contact/ the product developer says:-

" ..... we'll answer your question within 24 hours."

I've sent him a message on two separate occasions and have received no
response whatsoever.

FromTheRafters

2024-05-11 21:14:18 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?

What does what mean, the subject?

Yes. This mentioned in a message header:- X-No-Archive: Yes

Post by David Brooks
Really.

After all this time on Usenet you don't know?

I thought it was designed so that a Usenet server would not retain a copy of
a specific post.
That doesn't 'work' though, so why include it in a header?

Post by David Brooks
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800

<https://i.ibb.co/CHzHdxQ/sheeit.jpg>

Agreed.

Post by David Brooks
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

Is what broken?

I'm not absolutely sure! Maybe a Usenet client which includes X-No-Archive in
a message header?
What would be the purpose in 2024?
On this page https://www.usenapp.com/contact/ the product developer says:-
" ..... we'll answer your question within 24 hours."
I've sent him a message on two separate occasions and have received no
response whatsoever.

I'm sure that they will get back to you when they're done laughing.

David Brooks

2024-05-11 21:26:18 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?

What does what mean, the subject?

Yes. This mentioned in a message header:- X-No-Archive: Yes

Post by David Brooks
Really.

After all this time on Usenet you don't know?

I thought it was designed so that a Usenet server would not retain a
copy of a specific post.
That doesn't 'work' though, so why include it in a header?

Post by David Brooks
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800

<https://i.ibb.co/CHzHdxQ/sheeit.jpg>

Agreed.

Post by David Brooks
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

Is what broken?

I'm not absolutely sure! Maybe a Usenet client which includes
X-No-Archive in a message header?
What would be the purpose in 2024?
On this page https://www.usenapp.com/contact/ the product developer says:-
" ..... we'll answer your question within 24 hours."
I've sent him a message on two separate occasions and have received no
response whatsoever.

I'm sure that they will get back to you when they're done laughing.

I really didn't want to bother the folk at the Rotterdam Chamber of
Commerce - but I will.

T i m

2024-05-11 21:46:12 UTC

On 11/05/2024 22:14, FromTheRafters wrote:
<snip>

Post by David Brooks
I've sent him a message on two separate occasions and have received no
response whatsoever.

I'm sure that they will get back to you when they're done laughing.

Hehe.

I emailed a website 'contact us' re a typo (they put 'charing' instead
of 'charging') and they got back to me the next day saying they had
corrected it and thanked me for contacting them. ;-)

Whilst my dyslexia often stops me spelling many words correctly,
technical typos often stand out?

Cheers, T i m

David Brooks

2024-05-11 22:05:59 UTC

Post by T i m
<snip>

Post by David Brooks
I've sent him a message on two separate occasions and have received
no response whatsoever.

I'm sure that they will get back to you when they're done laughing.

Hehe.
I emailed a website 'contact us' re a typo (they put 'charing' instead
of 'charging') and they got back to me the next day saying they had
corrected it and thanked me for contacting them. ;-)
Whilst my dyslexia often stops me spelling many words correctly,
technical typos often stand out?

J J Loader didn't trust Andre!

https://uk.comp.sys.mac.narkive.com/2nqSw9z9/usenapp-phones-home

Mike Easter

2024-05-11 21:37:48 UTC

Post by David Brooks
I thought it was designed so that a Usenet server would not retain a
copy of a specific post.

That is not correct as stated.

You could review how usenet works, vis 'conventional' news servers and
what they do and how they do it, including *retention* VS *archiving*
which includes searching and accessing such as by 'strings' which world
changed w/ deja historically.

It is not 'conventionally' practical for a conventional news server farm
to establish a mechanism to 'expire' articles by removing (or hiding)
them based on a time frame.

Deja and subsequently GG (and some other 'archivers') are not so
'conventionally' configured, structure-wise, and it becomes more
'practical' for such a system to remove (by cancel) an nntp msg, but it
still has 'hazards' and significant shortcomings in the great scheme of
things.

As you have used a NIN account (and e-s) those conventional servers can
perform a specific and limited action through their employment of a
specific cancel-lock/ cancel-key system, but it is NOT based on
'expiry'. It simply means you can 'cancel' any msg you posted via the
NIN server because there is an associated cancel-lock cancel-key for any
given msg. Likewise the same (but not 'cross-with' NIN) at e-s.

The *PROBLEM* of course, is that cancelling some msg you already posted
doesn't do anything but remove that msg from NIN's retention (or hide
it); BUT the reality of course is that it has already propagated all
over the world to many thousands of other servers to retain. Your msg
is ONLY removed or hidden from NIN's (or e-s) retention visibility. Not
anywhere else, incl HK or whatever.

--
Mike Easter

David Brooks

2024-05-11 22:07:36 UTC

Post by David Brooks
I thought it was designed so that a Usenet server would not retain a
copy of a specific post.

That is not correct as stated.
You could review how usenet works, vis 'conventional' news servers and
what they do and how they do it, including *retention* VS *archiving*
which includes searching and accessing such as by 'strings' which world
changed w/ deja historically.
It is not 'conventionally' practical for a conventional news server farm
to establish a mechanism to 'expire' articles by removing (or hiding)
them based on a time frame.
Deja and subsequently GG (and some other 'archivers') are not so
'conventionally' configured, structure-wise, and it becomes more
'practical' for such a system to remove (by cancel) an nntp msg, but it
still has 'hazards' and significant shortcomings in the great scheme of
things.
As you have used a NIN account (and e-s) those conventional servers can
perform a specific and limited action through their employment of a
specific cancel-lock/ cancel-key system, but it is NOT based on
'expiry'. It simply means you can 'cancel' any msg you posted via the
NIN server because there is an associated cancel-lock cancel-key for any
given msg. Likewise the same (but not 'cross-with' NIN) at e-s.
The *PROBLEM* of course, is that cancelling some msg you already posted
doesn't do anything but remove that msg from NIN's retention (or hide
it); BUT the reality of course is that it has already propagated all
over the world to many thousands of other servers to retain. Your msg
is ONLY removed or hidden from NIN's (or e-s) retention visibility. Not
anywhere else, incl HK or whatever.

All understood!

Did you read here?
https://uk.comp.sys.mac.narkive.com/2nqSw9z9/usenapp-phones-home

Gremlin

2024-06-06 18:32:29 UTC

Post by David Brooks
I thought it was designed so that a Usenet server would not retain a
copy of a specific post.

That is not correct as stated.
You could review how usenet works, vis 'conventional' news servers and
what they do and how they do it, including *retention* VS *archiving*
which includes searching and accessing such as by 'strings' which world
changed w/ deja historically.
It is not 'conventionally' practical for a conventional news server farm
to establish a mechanism to 'expire' articles by removing (or hiding)
them based on a time frame.
Deja and subsequently GG (and some other 'archivers') are not so
'conventionally' configured, structure-wise, and it becomes more
'practical' for such a system to remove (by cancel) an nntp msg, but it
still has 'hazards' and significant shortcomings in the great scheme of
things.
As you have used a NIN account (and e-s) those conventional servers can
perform a specific and limited action through their employment of a
specific cancel-lock/ cancel-key system, but it is NOT based on
'expiry'. It simply means you can 'cancel' any msg you posted via the
NIN server because there is an associated cancel-lock cancel-key for any
given msg. Likewise the same (but not 'cross-with' NIN) at e-s.
The *PROBLEM* of course, is that cancelling some msg you already posted
doesn't do anything but remove that msg from NIN's retention (or hide
it); BUT the reality of course is that it has already propagated all
over the world to many thousands of other servers to retain. Your msg
is ONLY removed or hidden from NIN's (or e-s) retention visibility. Not
anywhere else, incl HK or whatever.

He's not the only one who needs to do some reading:

From: Snit <***@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac
Subject: Re: X-No-Archive: Yes
Organization: Southern Nevada Institute of Technology
References: <***@mid.individual.net>
<***@mid.individual.net>
<663f9c8a$1$8103$***@reader.netnews.com>
<***@mid.individual.net>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=fixed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
User-Agent: Usenapp for MacOS
X-Usenapp: v1.27.2/l - Full License
Date: 11 May 2024 19:20:15 GMT
Lines: 42

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

The Apple guys should know!

How would they know?

This fellow is USING it!

You can download it and use it, too. Would that give you insight as to how
many others use it? If not, how does it help him?

I am using it, too. Does not give me such insight.

Download X-Noarchive header line... MUAHAHAHA. I couldn't make this shit up!

--
I don't need no Dr. All I need...is my lawyer.

Snit

2024-06-06 18:40:41 UTC

Post by David Brooks
I thought it was designed so that a Usenet server would not retain a
copy of a specific post.

That is not correct as stated.
You could review how usenet works, vis 'conventional' news servers and
what they do and how they do it, including *retention* VS *archiving*
which includes searching and accessing such as by 'strings' which world
changed w/ deja historically.
It is not 'conventionally' practical for a conventional news server farm
to establish a mechanism to 'expire' articles by removing (or hiding)
them based on a time frame.
Deja and subsequently GG (and some other 'archivers') are not so
'conventionally' configured, structure-wise, and it becomes more
'practical' for such a system to remove (by cancel) an nntp msg, but it
still has 'hazards' and significant shortcomings in the great scheme of
things.
As you have used a NIN account (and e-s) those conventional servers can
perform a specific and limited action through their employment of a
specific cancel-lock/ cancel-key system, but it is NOT based on
'expiry'. It simply means you can 'cancel' any msg you posted via the
NIN server because there is an associated cancel-lock cancel-key for any
given msg. Likewise the same (but not 'cross-with' NIN) at e-s.
The *PROBLEM* of course, is that cancelling some msg you already posted
doesn't do anything but remove that msg from NIN's retention (or hide
it); BUT the reality of course is that it has already propagated all
over the world to many thousands of other servers to retain. Your msg
is ONLY removed or hidden from NIN's (or e-s) retention visibility. Not
anywhere else, incl HK or whatever.

Newsgroups: alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac
Subject: Re: X-No-Archive: Yes
Organization: Southern Nevada Institute of Technology
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=fixed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
User-Agent: Usenapp for MacOS
X-Usenapp: v1.27.2/l - Full License
Date: 11 May 2024 19:20:15 GMT
Lines: 42

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

The Apple guys should know!

How would they know?

This fellow is USING it!

You can download it and use it, too. Would that give you insight as to how
many others use it? If not, how does it help him?
I am using it, too. Does not give me such insight.
Download X-Noarchive header line... MUAHAHAHA. I couldn't make this shit up!

I still am living rent free in your head. Why are you so intimidated by me?

pothead

2024-06-06 21:30:33 UTC

Post by David Brooks
I thought it was designed so that a Usenet server would not retain a
copy of a specific post.

That is not correct as stated.
You could review how usenet works, vis 'conventional' news servers and
what they do and how they do it, including *retention* VS *archiving*
which includes searching and accessing such as by 'strings' which world
changed w/ deja historically.
It is not 'conventionally' practical for a conventional news server farm
to establish a mechanism to 'expire' articles by removing (or hiding)
them based on a time frame.
Deja and subsequently GG (and some other 'archivers') are not so
'conventionally' configured, structure-wise, and it becomes more
'practical' for such a system to remove (by cancel) an nntp msg, but it
still has 'hazards' and significant shortcomings in the great scheme of
things.
As you have used a NIN account (and e-s) those conventional servers can
perform a specific and limited action through their employment of a
specific cancel-lock/ cancel-key system, but it is NOT based on
'expiry'. It simply means you can 'cancel' any msg you posted via the
NIN server because there is an associated cancel-lock cancel-key for any
given msg. Likewise the same (but not 'cross-with' NIN) at e-s.
The *PROBLEM* of course, is that cancelling some msg you already posted
doesn't do anything but remove that msg from NIN's retention (or hide
it); BUT the reality of course is that it has already propagated all
over the world to many thousands of other servers to retain. Your msg
is ONLY removed or hidden from NIN's (or e-s) retention visibility. Not
anywhere else, incl HK or whatever.

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

The Apple guys should know!

How would they know?

This fellow is USING it!

You can download it and use it, too. Would that give you insight as to how
many others use it? If not, how does it help him?
I am using it, too. Does not give me such insight.
Download X-Noarchive header line... MUAHAHAHA. I couldn't make this shit up!

OMG!
What a marooon...

--
pothead
Joe Biden is the absolute WORST President Of the U.S. ever.
Nobody else is even close. Including Jimmy Carter.
Vote for ANYBODY but Joe Biden in 2024.

Charlie Glock

2024-06-07 20:51:34 UTC

Post by pothead

Post by David Brooks
I thought it was designed so that a Usenet server would not retain a
copy of a specific post.

That is not correct as stated.
You could review how usenet works, vis 'conventional' news servers and
what they do and how they do it, including *retention* VS *archiving*
which includes searching and accessing such as by 'strings' which world
changed w/ deja historically.
It is not 'conventionally' practical for a conventional news server farm
to establish a mechanism to 'expire' articles by removing (or hiding)
them based on a time frame.
Deja and subsequently GG (and some other 'archivers') are not so
'conventionally' configured, structure-wise, and it becomes more
'practical' for such a system to remove (by cancel) an nntp msg, but it
still has 'hazards' and significant shortcomings in the great scheme of
things.
As you have used a NIN account (and e-s) those conventional servers can
perform a specific and limited action through their employment of a
specific cancel-lock/ cancel-key system, but it is NOT based on
'expiry'. It simply means you can 'cancel' any msg you posted via the
NIN server because there is an associated cancel-lock cancel-key for any
given msg. Likewise the same (but not 'cross-with' NIN) at e-s.
The *PROBLEM* of course, is that cancelling some msg you already posted
doesn't do anything but remove that msg from NIN's retention (or hide
it); BUT the reality of course is that it has already propagated all
over the world to many thousands of other servers to retain. Your msg
is ONLY removed or hidden from NIN's (or e-s) retention visibility. Not
anywhere else, incl HK or whatever.

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

The Apple guys should know!

How would they know?

This fellow is USING it!

You can download it and use it, too. Would that give you insight as to how
many others use it? If not, how does it help him?
I am using it, too. Does not give me such insight.
Download X-Noarchive header line... MUAHAHAHA. I couldn't make this shit up!

OMG!
What a marooon...
http://youtu.be/hxGgnI6kCrs

Snit should be using the X-Noarchive news client for Mac.
It allows the user to download the X-Noarchive header line by itself.
I hear it was written by some kid named Jeremy who works at Walmart and is a computer expert.
ROTFLMAO !

--
Charlie Glock
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms"
- Thomas Jefferson 1776

Snit

2024-06-07 23:14:49 UTC

Post by Charlie Glock

Post by pothead

Post by David Brooks
I thought it was designed so that a Usenet server would not retain a
copy of a specific post.

That is not correct as stated.
You could review how usenet works, vis 'conventional' news servers and
what they do and how they do it, including *retention* VS *archiving*
which includes searching and accessing such as by 'strings' which world
changed w/ deja historically.
It is not 'conventionally' practical for a conventional news server farm
to establish a mechanism to 'expire' articles by removing (or hiding)
them based on a time frame.
Deja and subsequently GG (and some other 'archivers') are not so
'conventionally' configured, structure-wise, and it becomes more
'practical' for such a system to remove (by cancel) an nntp msg, but it
still has 'hazards' and significant shortcomings in the great scheme of
things.
As you have used a NIN account (and e-s) those conventional servers can
perform a specific and limited action through their employment of a
specific cancel-lock/ cancel-key system, but it is NOT based on
'expiry'. It simply means you can 'cancel' any msg you posted via the
NIN server because there is an associated cancel-lock cancel-key for any
given msg. Likewise the same (but not 'cross-with' NIN) at e-s.
The *PROBLEM* of course, is that cancelling some msg you already posted
doesn't do anything but remove that msg from NIN's retention (or hide
it); BUT the reality of course is that it has already propagated all
over the world to many thousands of other servers to retain. Your msg
is ONLY removed or hidden from NIN's (or e-s) retention visibility. Not
anywhere else, incl HK or whatever.

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

The Apple guys should know!

How would they know?

This fellow is USING it!

You can download it and use it, too. Would that give you insight as to how
many others use it? If not, how does it help him?
I am using it, too. Does not give me such insight.
Download X-Noarchive header line... MUAHAHAHA. I couldn't make this shit up!

OMG!
What a marooon...
http://youtu.be/hxGgnI6kCrs

Whatever sock boy.

Apd

2024-05-11 22:39:43 UTC

Post by Apd
After all this time on Usenet you don't know?

I thought it was designed so that a Usenet server would not retain a copy
of a specific post.

No NNTP server software takes notice of user-defined or non-standard
headers (prefixed with 'x-'). It's purpose is to request archiving
sites not to include the message in the archive. Only Deja then Google
honoured it. I know of no other Usenet archive that does. Now that
most (all?) servers allow ".invalid" addresses and don't include the
IP address, it's redundant for privacy purposes anyway.

Post by David Brooks
That doesn't 'work' though, so why include it in a header?

It's pointless but users can include any header they want, including
ones they make up if the client software is capable.

Post by Apd
Is what broken?

I'm not absolutely sure! Maybe a Usenet client which includes X-No-Archive
in a message header?

It's up to the user, not the client.

Post by David Brooks
What would be the purpose in 2024?

None.

Post by David Brooks
On this page https://www.usenapp.com/contact/ the product developer says:-
" ..... we'll answer your question within 24 hours."
I've sent him a message on two separate occasions and have received no
response whatsoever.

It's the way you tell 'em!

David Brooks

2024-05-12 09:28:14 UTC

Post by Apd
After all this time on Usenet you don't know?

I thought it was designed so that a Usenet server would not retain a copy
of a specific post.

Thanks.

Post by David Brooks
That doesn't 'work' though, so why include it in a header?

It's pointless but users can include any header they want, including
ones they make up if the client software is capable.

Understood.

Post by Apd
Is what broken?

I'm not absolutely sure! Maybe a Usenet client which includes X-No-Archive
in a message header?

It's up to the user, not the client.

Post by David Brooks
What would be the purpose in 2024?

None.

Agreed

It's the way you tell 'em!

https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/22201/lot/348/an-oldham-batteries-i-told-em-printed-tin-sign/

Do you know ANYTHING about the developer known as Andre? (He's Dutch!)

Apd

2024-05-12 11:04:50 UTC

Post by David Brooks
I've sent him a message on two separate occasions and have received no
response whatsoever.

It's the way you tell 'em!

https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/22201/lot/348/an-oldham-batteries-i-told-em-printed-tin-sign/

Reminds me of the second half of that well known rugby song, "How much
to Oldham".

Post by David Brooks
Do you know ANYTHING about the developer known as Andre? (He's Dutch!)

No, but going by what you're requesting and the result of this
(abbreviated) exchange, I'm not surprised he's ignoring you.

- - -

BD:
"Whilst I appreciate that you may wish to keep numbers confidential,
my friend has been asking me how many people are now using Usenapp"

A:
"Like you said, that information is confidential"

BD:
"Will you, please, explain why it has taken you until 12 May to
respond? Such a delay is not acceptable"

- - -

"Asking for a friend" and "unacceptable". Way to go (not) to get him
on your side.

David Brooks

2024-05-12 14:49:41 UTC

Post by David Brooks
I've sent him a message on two separate occasions and have received no
response whatsoever.

It's the way you tell 'em!

https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/22201/lot/348/an-oldham-batteries-i-told-em-printed-tin-sign/

Reminds me of the second half of that well known rugby song, "How much
to Oldham".

I'm surprised that YOU know the words!

Post by David Brooks
Do you know ANYTHING about the developer known as Andre? (He's Dutch!)

No, but going by what you're requesting and the result of this
(abbreviated) exchange, I'm not surprised he's ignoring you.
- - -
"Whilst I appreciate that you may wish to keep numbers confidential,
my friend has been asking me how many people are now using Usenapp"
"Like you said, that information is confidential"
"Will you, please, explain why it has taken you until 12 May to
respond? Such a delay is not acceptable"
- - -
"Asking for a friend" and "unacceptable". Way to go (not) to get him
on your side.

I *WAS* asking for a friend (I've already bought and paid for a
licence!) and him failing to respond for weeks *IS* unacceptable.

Apd

2024-05-12 19:01:45 UTC

Post by Apd
Reminds me of the second half of that well known rugby song, "How much
to Oldham".

I'm surprised that YOU know the words!

Why? I have two books of these ribald rhymes that I bought as a
teenager. Used to sing some of them in the cadets on our journeys to
camp in the back of a truck.

Post by Apd
"Asking for a friend" and "unacceptable". Way to go (not) to get him
on your side.

I *WAS* asking for a friend (I've already bought and paid for a licence!)
and him failing to respond for weeks *IS* unacceptable.

Doesn't matter, it's how it looks. I don't blame him for ignoring what
was an impertinent question, and he was good enough to respond with
the obvious answer when prompted. Criticising him for not replying
sooner is guaranteed to get his back up.

Steve Carroll

2024-05-12 19:19:34 UTC

Post by Apd
Reminds me of the second half of that well known rugby song, "How much
to Oldham".

I'm surprised that YOU know the words!

Why? I have two books of these ribald rhymes that I bought as a
teenager. Used to sing some of them in the cadets on our journeys to
camp in the back of a truck.

Did you ever camp in the Kielder forest area?

Apd

2024-05-12 20:40:17 UTC

Post by Apd
Why? I have two books of these ribald rhymes that I bought as a
teenager. Used to sing some of them in the cadets on our journeys to
camp in the back of a truck.

Did you ever camp in the Kielder forest area?

We never went that far north and camped in military training areas.
Thetford in Norfolk was one:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_Battle_Area>

David Brooks

2024-05-12 19:52:21 UTC

Post by Apd
Reminds me of the second half of that well known rugby song, "How much
to Oldham".

I'm surprised that YOU know the words!

Why? I have two books of these ribald rhymes that I bought as a
teenager. Used to sing some of them in the cadets on our journeys to
camp in the back of a truck.

That's a VERY long time to keep such books!

Post by Apd
"Asking for a friend" and "unacceptable". Way to go (not) to get him
on your side.

I *WAS* asking for a friend (I've already bought and paid for a licence!)
and him failing to respond for weeks *IS* unacceptable.

I have ZERO understanding of why you think my question was "impertinent".

Tyrone

2024-05-12 20:04:46 UTC

Post by Apd
Reminds me of the second half of that well known rugby song, "How much
to Oldham".

I'm surprised that YOU know the words!

Why? I have two books of these ribald rhymes that I bought as a
teenager. Used to sing some of them in the cadets on our journeys to
camp in the back of a truck.

That's a VERY long time to keep such books!

Post by Apd
"Asking for a friend" and "unacceptable". Way to go (not) to get him
on your side.

I *WAS* asking for a friend (I've already bought and paid for a licence!)
and him failing to respond for weeks *IS* unacceptable.

I have ZERO understanding of why you think my question was "impertinent".

You have ZERO understanding of anything.

Apd

2024-05-12 20:38:48 UTC

Post by Apd
Why? I have two books of these ribald rhymes that I bought as a
teenager. Used to sing some of them in the cadets on our journeys to
camp in the back of a truck.

That's a VERY long time to keep such books!

I've kept many things from my youth. Unless there's a reason to throw
them out, they stay where they are. In this case, on a bookshelf in
the spare bedroom.

Post by Apd
Doesn't matter, it's how it looks. I don't blame him for ignoring what
was an impertinent question, and he was good enough to respond with
the obvious answer when prompted. Criticising him for not replying
sooner is guaranteed to get his back up.

I have ZERO understanding of why you think my question was "impertinent".

Indeed. That's why you keep getting banned, ignored or attract harsh
words. You seem to be unaware when you act inappropriately.

Tyrone

2024-05-12 21:01:13 UTC

Post by Apd
Why? I have two books of these ribald rhymes that I bought as a
teenager. Used to sing some of them in the cadets on our journeys to
camp in the back of a truck.

That's a VERY long time to keep such books!

I've kept many things from my youth. Unless there's a reason to throw
them out, they stay where they are. In this case, on a bookshelf in
the spare bedroom.

I have ZERO understanding of why you think my question was "impertinent".

Indeed. That's why you keep getting banned, ignored or attract harsh
words. You seem to be unaware when you act inappropriately.

David seems to demontrate all the characteristics of what used to be called
"Asperger syndrome".

Tyrone

2024-05-11 14:37:56 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

I would bet a hundred guineas that it is "simply another misunderstanding" by
you. Because you don't understand anything. Even after it is explained to
you, multiple times.

David Brooks

2024-05-11 21:29:36 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

I would bet a hundred guineas that it is "simply another misunderstanding" by
you. Because you don't understand anything. Even after it is explained to
you, multiple times.

Then tell OTHERS reading here WHY you include "X-No-Archive: Yes" in
your message header:-

From: Tyrone <***@none.none>
Newsgroups: uk.comp.sys.mac
Subject: Re: Usenapp for MacOS
X-No-Archive: Yes <------------ *NOTE*
References: <***@mid.individual.net>
User-Agent: Usenapp for MacOS
X-Usenapp: v1.27.2/l - Full License
Message-ID: <***@supernews.com>

=

Are you simply dopey?

Mike Easter

2024-05-11 22:00:27 UTC

tell OTHERS reading here WHY you include "X-No-Archive: Yes" in your
message header

Historically, the /why/ of it all, which led to the RFC in the first
place, beginning w/ deja and *certainly* applying LONG after that
because of GG, many people did not want such as GG (or deja earlier) to
have the 'power' to archive their msg/s forever, and those wishes led to
the creation of the RFC for X-headers in the form of the expiries.

Nowadays, if you like, you can 'challenge' Tyrone or anyone else to
answer you; but nowadays and /forever/ just because you ask someone
something does NOT mean they are under ANY obligation to answer or
respond to you; because you are rather daft.

--
Mike Easter

David Brooks

2024-05-11 22:10:04 UTC

tell OTHERS reading here WHY you include "X-No-Archive: Yes" in your
message header

Historically, the /why/ of it all, which led to the RFC in the first
place, beginning w/ deja and *certainly* applying LONG after that
because of GG, many people did not want such as GG (or deja earlier) to
have the 'power' to archive their msg/s forever, and those wishes led to
the creation of the RFC for X-headers in the form of the expiries.
Nowadays, if you like, you can 'challenge' Tyrone or anyone else to
answer you; but nowadays and /forever/ just because you ask someone
something does NOT mean they are under ANY obligation to answer or
respond to you; because you are rather daft.

I expect you've noticed that FromTheRafters hardly /ever/ answers my
questions.

T i m

2024-05-12 09:41:16 UTC

On 11/05/2024 23:10, David Brooks wrote:

<snip>

Post by David Brooks
I expect you've noticed that FromTheRafters hardly /ever/ answers my
questions.

I would suggest that might be that they 'Don't suffer fools gladly'.

HTH

Cheers, T i m

Snit

2024-05-11 16:28:15 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

2024-05-11 19:33:18 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

my troll's neck

Snit

2024-05-11 22:01:53 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

my troll's neck

I wish mine's was.

2024-05-11 22:25:23 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

my troll's neck

I wish mine's was.

think positive

Snit

2024-05-11 22:29:42 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

my troll's neck

I wish mine's was.

think positive

That attracts the negative.

2024-05-11 23:13:05 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

my troll's neck

I wish mine's was.

think positive

That attracts the negative.

that's what you want

Snit

2024-05-12 02:44:37 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

my troll's neck

I wish mine's was.

think positive

That attracts the negative.

that's what you want

What if I want to not want?

2024-05-12 02:49:02 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

my troll's neck

I wish mine's was.

think positive

That attracts the negative.

that's what you want

What if I want to not want?

then you x your archive no

Snit

2024-05-12 16:32:53 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

my troll's neck

I wish mine's was.

think positive

That attracts the negative.

that's what you want

What if I want to not want?

then you x your archive no

I archived my ex.

2024-05-12 20:34:27 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

my troll's neck

I wish mine's was.

think positive

That attracts the negative.

that's what you want

What if I want to not want?

then you x your archive no

I archived my ex.

Snit

2024-05-12 21:12:20 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

my troll's neck

I wish mine's was.

think positive

That attracts the negative.

that's what you want

What if I want to not want?

then you x your archive no

I archived my ex.

I want no record of her. LOL!

2024-05-12 21:20:30 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

my troll's neck

I wish mine's was.

think positive

That attracts the negative.

that's what you want

What if I want to not want?

then you x your archive no

I archived my ex.

I want no record of her. LOL!

it only works on google groups

Snit

2024-05-12 22:44:28 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

my troll's neck

I wish mine's was.

think positive

That attracts the negative.

that's what you want

What if I want to not want?

then you x your archive no

I archived my ex.

I want no record of her. LOL!

it only works on google groups

Which is now dead. Poor Carroll-bot. He never did get it to really work.

2024-05-12 23:14:17 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

my troll's neck

I wish mine's was.

think positive

That attracts the negative.

that's what you want

What if I want to not want?

then you x your archive no

I archived my ex.

I want no record of her. LOL!

it only works on google groups

Which is now dead. Poor Carroll-bot. He never did get it to really work.

not much about him ever works

Snit

2024-05-13 03:40:09 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

my troll's neck

I wish mine's was.

think positive

That attracts the negative.

that's what you want

What if I want to not want?

then you x your archive no

I archived my ex.

I want no record of her. LOL!

it only works on google groups

Which is now dead. Poor Carroll-bot. He never did get it to really work.

not much about him ever works

His trolling is very effective. He is good at that.

2024-05-13 13:57:47 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

my troll's neck

I wish mine's was.

think positive

That attracts the negative.

that's what you want

What if I want to not want?

then you x your archive no

I archived my ex.

I want no record of her. LOL!

it only works on google groups

Which is now dead. Poor Carroll-bot. He never did get it to really work.

not much about him ever works

His trolling is very effective. He is good at that.

he steals all that

Snit

2024-05-13 16:13:09 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

my troll's neck

I wish mine's was.

think positive

That attracts the negative.

that's what you want

What if I want to not want?

then you x your archive no

I archived my ex.

I want no record of her. LOL!

it only works on google groups

Which is now dead. Poor Carroll-bot. He never did get it to really work.

not much about him ever works

His trolling is very effective. He is good at that.

he steals all that

Fair enough.

David Brooks

2024-05-11 21:30:51 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

The Usenet client called Usenapp

It appears that the developer has 'disappeared' too.

Snit

2024-05-11 22:01:20 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

The Usenet client called Usenapp

Sigh. Broken in what way?

Post by David Brooks
It appears that the developer has 'disappeared' too.

Updated for Sonoma. Not sure why you think he is gone.

David Brooks

2024-05-11 22:14:45 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

The Usenet client called Usenapp

Sigh. Broken in what way?

It includes "X-No-Archive" in it's message headers!

Post by David Brooks
It appears that the developer has 'disappeared' too.

Updated for Sonoma. Not sure why you think he is gone.

Andre hasn't posted in the 'uk.comp.sys.mac' Usenet group for over a
year. He used to be a 'regular' there.
He has not responded to my (email) web contact form messages.

Snit

2024-05-11 22:28:57 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

The Usenet client called Usenapp

Sigh. Broken in what way?

It includes "X-No-Archive" in it's message headers!

What makes you think that is broken?

Post by David Brooks
It appears that the developer has 'disappeared' too.

Updated for Sonoma. Not sure why you think he is gone.

Andre hasn't posted in the 'uk.comp.sys.mac' Usenet group for over a
year. He used to be a 'regular' there.

OK. But he has posted on his own forum.

Post by David Brooks
He has not responded to my (email) web contact form messages.

He responded to other posts recently.

David Brooks

2024-05-11 22:36:02 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

The Usenet client called Usenapp

Sigh. Broken in what way?

It includes "X-No-Archive" in it's message headers!

What makes you think that is broken?

Post by David Brooks
It appears that the developer has 'disappeared' too.

Updated for Sonoma. Not sure why you think he is gone.

Andre hasn't posted in the 'uk.comp.sys.mac' Usenet group for over a
year. He used to be a 'regular' there.

OK. But he has posted on his own forum.

Post by David Brooks
He has not responded to my (email) web contact form messages.

He responded to other posts recently.

Has he responded to YOU, personally?

I'm hoping I didn't recommend a damp squib to you, Snit.

Snit

2024-05-12 02:46:19 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

The Usenet client called Usenapp

Sigh. Broken in what way?

It includes "X-No-Archive" in it's message headers!

What makes you think that is broken?

Post by David Brooks
It appears that the developer has 'disappeared' too.

Updated for Sonoma. Not sure why you think he is gone.

Andre hasn't posted in the 'uk.comp.sys.mac' Usenet group for over a
year. He used to be a 'regular' there.

OK. But he has posted on his own forum.

Post by David Brooks
He has not responded to my (email) web contact form messages.

He responded to other posts recently.

Has he responded to YOU, personally?

Yes.

Post by David Brooks
I'm hoping I didn't recommend a damp squib to you, Snit.

I have some curiosity as to how many, but I doubt we will find out. Carroll
suggested a way to approximate it... but not even sure if that would be even
slightly reliable.

David Brooks

2024-05-12 09:21:57 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

The Usenet client called Usenapp

Sigh. Broken in what way?

It includes "X-No-Archive" in it's message headers!

What makes you think that is broken?

Post by David Brooks
It appears that the developer has 'disappeared' too.

Updated for Sonoma. Not sure why you think he is gone.

Andre hasn't posted in the 'uk.comp.sys.mac' Usenet group for over a
year. He used to be a 'regular' there.

OK. But he has posted on his own forum.

Post by David Brooks
He has not responded to my (email) web contact form messages.

He responded to other posts recently.

Has he responded to YOU, personally?

Yes.

That's good to learn. Thanks.

Post by David Brooks
I'm hoping I didn't recommend a damp squib to you, Snit.

I have some curiosity as to how many, but I doubt we will find out. Carroll
suggested a way to approximate it... but not even sure if that would be even
slightly reliable.

What was Carroll's conclusion regarding the total number?

Snit

2024-05-12 16:34:13 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

The Usenet client called Usenapp

Sigh. Broken in what way?

It includes "X-No-Archive" in it's message headers!

What makes you think that is broken?

Post by David Brooks
It appears that the developer has 'disappeared' too.

Updated for Sonoma. Not sure why you think he is gone.

Andre hasn't posted in the 'uk.comp.sys.mac' Usenet group for over a
year. He used to be a 'regular' there.

OK. But he has posted on his own forum.

Post by David Brooks
He has not responded to my (email) web contact form messages.

He responded to other posts recently.

Has he responded to YOU, personally?

Yes.

That's good to learn. Thanks.

Post by David Brooks
I'm hoping I didn't recommend a damp squib to you, Snit.

I have some curiosity as to how many, but I doubt we will find out. Carroll
suggested a way to approximate it... but not even sure if that would be even
slightly reliable.

What was Carroll's conclusion regarding the total number?

You know Carroll. No conclusion. His post was filled with trolling and attacks
and insults, but among that there were decent ideas on how YOU could
approximate it if you wanted. His ideas were not absurd, but really they were
a lot of work and the results would still be questionable at best. So there is
some level of help and a lot of trolling and trying to waste the time of
others.

David Brooks

2024-05-12 17:29:20 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

The Usenet client called Usenapp

Sigh. Broken in what way?

It includes "X-No-Archive" in it's message headers!

What makes you think that is broken?

Post by David Brooks
It appears that the developer has 'disappeared' too.

Updated for Sonoma. Not sure why you think he is gone.

Andre hasn't posted in the 'uk.comp.sys.mac' Usenet group for over a
year. He used to be a 'regular' there.

OK. But he has posted on his own forum.

Post by David Brooks
He has not responded to my (email) web contact form messages.

He responded to other posts recently.

Has he responded to YOU, personally?

Yes.

That's good to learn. Thanks.

Post by David Brooks
I'm hoping I didn't recommend a damp squib to you, Snit.

I have some curiosity as to how many, but I doubt we will find out. Carroll
suggested a way to approximate it... but not even sure if that would be even
slightly reliable.

What was Carroll's conclusion regarding the total number?

Do you think you would be aware of any 'funny business' associated with
your connection to Andre's software?
Have you ever checked the communication between your computer and the
Xorox server?

Snit

2024-05-12 17:36:25 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

The Usenet client called Usenapp

Sigh. Broken in what way?

It includes "X-No-Archive" in it's message headers!

What makes you think that is broken?

Post by David Brooks
It appears that the developer has 'disappeared' too.

Updated for Sonoma. Not sure why you think he is gone.

Andre hasn't posted in the 'uk.comp.sys.mac' Usenet group for over a
year. He used to be a 'regular' there.

OK. But he has posted on his own forum.

Post by David Brooks
He has not responded to my (email) web contact form messages.

He responded to other posts recently.

Has he responded to YOU, personally?

Yes.

That's good to learn. Thanks.

Post by David Brooks
I'm hoping I didn't recommend a damp squib to you, Snit.

I have some curiosity as to how many, but I doubt we will find out. Carroll
suggested a way to approximate it... but not even sure if that would be even
slightly reliable.

What was Carroll's conclusion regarding the total number?

Do you think you would be aware of any 'funny business' associated with
your connection to Andre's software?

No. He was always kind and helpful. There were features I wanted which he will
not be implementing, but that is his choice.

Post by David Brooks
Have you ever checked the communication between your computer and the
Xorox server?

No. I know it checks for updates.

David Brooks

2024-05-12 19:49:05 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

The Usenet client called Usenapp

Sigh. Broken in what way?

It includes "X-No-Archive" in it's message headers!

What makes you think that is broken?

Post by David Brooks
It appears that the developer has 'disappeared' too.

Updated for Sonoma. Not sure why you think he is gone.

Andre hasn't posted in the 'uk.comp.sys.mac' Usenet group for over a
year. He used to be a 'regular' there.

OK. But he has posted on his own forum.

Post by David Brooks
He has not responded to my (email) web contact form messages.

He responded to other posts recently.

Has he responded to YOU, personally?

Yes.

That's good to learn. Thanks.

Post by David Brooks
I'm hoping I didn't recommend a damp squib to you, Snit.

I have some curiosity as to how many, but I doubt we will find out. Carroll
suggested a way to approximate it... but not even sure if that would be even
slightly reliable.

What was Carroll's conclusion regarding the total number?

Do you think you would be aware of any 'funny business' associated with
your connection to Andre's software?

No. He was always kind and helpful. There were features I wanted which he will
not be implementing, but that is his choice.

Looking here, it sounds as if he's not just a one-man-band.

https://www.usenapp.com/privacy/

Post by David Brooks
Have you ever checked the communication between your computer and the
Xorox server?

No. I know it checks for updates.

Have you checked-out the Facebook page?

https://www.facebook.com/xoroxsoft

Snit

2024-05-12 21:13:43 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

The Usenet client called Usenapp

Sigh. Broken in what way?

It includes "X-No-Archive" in it's message headers!

What makes you think that is broken?

Post by David Brooks
It appears that the developer has 'disappeared' too.

Updated for Sonoma. Not sure why you think he is gone.

Andre hasn't posted in the 'uk.comp.sys.mac' Usenet group for over a
year. He used to be a 'regular' there.

OK. But he has posted on his own forum.

Post by David Brooks
He has not responded to my (email) web contact form messages.

He responded to other posts recently.

Has he responded to YOU, personally?

Yes.

That's good to learn. Thanks.

Post by David Brooks
I'm hoping I didn't recommend a damp squib to you, Snit.

I have some curiosity as to how many, but I doubt we will find out. Carroll
suggested a way to approximate it... but not even sure if that would be even
slightly reliable.

What was Carroll's conclusion regarding the total number?

Do you think you would be aware of any 'funny business' associated with
your connection to Andre's software?

No. He was always kind and helpful. There were features I wanted which he will
not be implementing, but that is his choice.

Looking here, it sounds as if he's not just a one-man-band.
https://www.usenapp.com/privacy/

I think he is.

Post by David Brooks
Have you ever checked the communication between your computer and the
Xorox server?

No. I know it checks for updates.

Have you checked-out the Facebook page?
https://www.facebook.com/xoroxsoft

Never looked ... doing so now I will still likely just go to his site.

Steve Carroll

2024-05-12 18:45:01 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

The Usenet client called Usenapp

Sigh. Broken in what way?

It includes "X-No-Archive" in it's message headers!

What makes you think that is broken?

Post by David Brooks
It appears that the developer has 'disappeared' too.

Updated for Sonoma. Not sure why you think he is gone.

Andre hasn't posted in the 'uk.comp.sys.mac' Usenet group for over a
year. He used to be a 'regular' there.

OK. But he has posted on his own forum.

Post by David Brooks
He has not responded to my (email) web contact form messages.

He responded to other posts recently.

Has he responded to YOU, personally?

Yes.

That's good to learn. Thanks.

Post by David Brooks
I'm hoping I didn't recommend a damp squib to you, Snit.

I have some curiosity as to how many, but I doubt we will find out. Carroll
suggested a way to approximate it... but not even sure if that would be even
slightly reliable.

What was Carroll's conclusion regarding the total number?

You know Carroll.

Gee... no one could've predicted you'd write what you have <eyeroll>.

Post by Snit
No conclusion.

How do you propose anyone come to a conclusion regarding an "even
slightly reliable" number when you're stuck with almost no data? Sober
up.

Post by Snit
His post was filled with trolling and attacks and insults,

Nope, it was the kind of response he's earned... even you are finally
questioning his BS.

Post by Snit
but among that there were decent ideas on how YOU could
approximate it if you wanted.

Why don't you help him?

Post by Snit
His ideas were not absurd, but really they were a lot of work

"a lot of work"?!

If it took more than 5-10 minutes to come up with a guesstimate you're
doing it wrong... and it'd be the computer doing all the "work".

Post by Snit
and the results would still be questionable at best.

No kidding?!

Post by Snit
So there is some level of help and a lot of trolling and trying to
waste the time of others.

No trolling, just giving a stalker a tiny bit of what he's earned.

Snit

2024-05-12 19:15:33 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

The Usenet client called Usenapp

Sigh. Broken in what way?

It includes "X-No-Archive" in it's message headers!

What makes you think that is broken?

Post by David Brooks
It appears that the developer has 'disappeared' too.

Updated for Sonoma. Not sure why you think he is gone.

Andre hasn't posted in the 'uk.comp.sys.mac' Usenet group for over a
year. He used to be a 'regular' there.

OK. But he has posted on his own forum.

Post by David Brooks
He has not responded to my (email) web contact form messages.

He responded to other posts recently.

Has he responded to YOU, personally?

Yes.

That's good to learn. Thanks.

Post by David Brooks
I'm hoping I didn't recommend a damp squib to you, Snit.

I have some curiosity as to how many, but I doubt we will find out. Carroll
suggested a way to approximate it... but not even sure if that would be even
slightly reliable.

What was Carroll's conclusion regarding the total number?

You know Carroll.

Gee... no one could've predicted you'd write what you have <eyeroll>.

Post by Snit
No conclusion.

How do you propose anyone come to a conclusion regarding an "even
slightly reliable" number when you're stuck with almost no data? Sober
up.

Post by Snit
His post was filled with trolling and attacks and insults,

Nope, it was the kind of response he's earned... even you are finally
questioning his BS.

Post by Snit
but among that there were decent ideas on how YOU could
approximate it if you wanted.

Why don't you help him?

Post by Snit
His ideas were not absurd, but really they were a lot of work

"a lot of work"?!
If it took more than 5-10 minutes to come up with a guesstimate you're
doing it wrong... and it'd be the computer doing all the "work".

Post by Snit
and the results would still be questionable at best.

No kidding?!

Post by Snit
So there is some level of help and a lot of trolling and trying to
waste the time of others.

No trolling, just giving a stalker a tiny bit of what he's earned.

Your need for attention is a YOU issue. Deal with your mental health
challenges. Stop making your every post to me be focused on you and your
challenges.

But, hey, let me give you another chance: you say you can come up with an
estimate in 5-10 minutes. Go!

Do it. For once in your trolling, lying, game playing life show you are
sincere and having a conversation in good faith.

But you will fail. You will stretch it out and play games and otherwise lie.
It is what you do.

Steve Carroll

2024-05-12 19:24:26 UTC

Post by Steve Carroll
No trolling, just giving a stalker a tiny bit of what he's earned.

Your need for attention is a YOU issue.

Stop projecting, you only responded here to get attention. Who *isn't*
aware of this? We're back to that age old question:

Why won't you help your 'friend'?

Snit

2024-05-12 21:15:45 UTC

Post by Steve Carroll
No trolling, just giving a stalker a tiny bit of what he's earned.

Your need for attention is a YOU issue. Deal with your mental health
challenges. Stop making your every post to me be focused on you and your
challenges.
But, hey, let me give you another chance: you say you can come up with an
estimate in 5-10 minutes. Go!
Do it. For once in your trolling, lying, game playing life show you are
sincere and having a conversation in good faith.
But you will fail. You will stretch it out and play games and otherwise lie.
It is what you do.

You ignored this because I was spot on correct.

You said 5-10 minutes. You lied.

Steve Carroll

2024-05-12 18:36:57 UTC

Post by David Brooks
I'm hoping I didn't recommend a damp squib to you, Snit.

I have some curiosity as to how many, but I doubt we will find out. Carroll
suggested a way to approximate it... but not even sure if that would be even
slightly reliable.

What was Carroll's conclusion regarding the total number?

LOL! Cut the act ;) As the whole thing is absurd, I didn't attempt to
get a number, I merely suggested a method to "guesstimate". That said,
if the 'IT Master' feels he can produce a guesstimate that could be
considered "even slightly reliable" I'm all eyes.

Snit

2024-05-12 19:16:07 UTC

Post by David Brooks
I'm hoping I didn't recommend a damp squib to you, Snit.

I have some curiosity as to how many, but I doubt we will find out. Carroll
suggested a way to approximate it... but not even sure if that would be even
slightly reliable.

What was Carroll's conclusion regarding the total number?

You said you could do it in 5-10 minutes.

You lied. You will spend weeks stretching it out and trolling.

It is what you do.

Steve Carroll

2024-05-12 19:26:53 UTC

Post by David Brooks
I'm hoping I didn't recommend a damp squib to you, Snit.

I have some curiosity as to how many, but I doubt we will find out. Carroll
suggested a way to approximate it... but not even sure if that would be even
slightly reliable.

What was Carroll's conclusion regarding the total number?

You said you could do it in 5-10 minutes.

Anyone with working brain cells could if they actually used those cells
(and I've "shown", *many*, *many* times, how one of the more 'laborious'
steps could easily be achieved).

Snit

2024-05-12 21:14:59 UTC

Post by David Brooks
I'm hoping I didn't recommend a damp squib to you, Snit.

I have some curiosity as to how many, but I doubt we will find out. Carroll
suggested a way to approximate it... but not even sure if that would be even
slightly reliable.

What was Carroll's conclusion regarding the total number?

You said you could do it in 5-10 minutes.
You lied. You will spend weeks stretching it out and trolling.
It is what you do.

And you ignore this... because you lied. You were busted. You said 5-10 min.
You have had much longer. You failed.

Sorta like when you said you could best my chat bot. Easily. You and Gremlin
both said it. You both failed. Neither of you opened one up for me and others
to interact with.

You refuse to have a conversation in good faith or admit when you are wrong.

Post by Steve Carroll
Anyone with working brain cells could if they actually used those cells
(and I've "shown", *many*, *many* times, how one of the more 'laborious'
steps could easily be achieved).

Snit

2024-05-11 22:04:41 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

The Usenet client called Usenapp
It appears that the developer has 'disappeared' too.

If so, very recently. He responded here:

https://www.usenapp.com/forum/u/Andre

March 5.

David Brooks

2024-05-11 22:29:08 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

The Usenet client called Usenapp
It appears that the developer has 'disappeared' too.

https://www.usenapp.com/forum/u/Andre
March 5.

How strange.

He didn't respond to Roger here:-

https://www.usenapp.com/forum/d/490-signature-delimiter-incorrect/2

Odd.

Snit

2024-05-12 02:47:34 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

The Usenet client called Usenapp
It appears that the developer has 'disappeared' too.

https://www.usenapp.com/forum/u/Andre
March 5.

How strange.
He didn't respond to Roger here:-
https://www.usenapp.com/forum/d/490-signature-delimiter-incorrect/2
Odd.

I cannot explain why he responds to some and not others.

2024-05-12 02:49:43 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

The Usenet client called Usenapp
It appears that the developer has 'disappeared' too.

https://www.usenapp.com/forum/u/Andre
March 5.

How strange.
He didn't respond to Roger here:-
https://www.usenapp.com/forum/d/490-signature-delimiter-incorrect/2
Odd.

I cannot explain why he responds to some and not others.

he can't answer the hard stuff

Snit

2024-05-12 16:32:39 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

The Usenet client called Usenapp
It appears that the developer has 'disappeared' too.

https://www.usenapp.com/forum/u/Andre
March 5.

How strange.
He didn't respond to Roger here:-
https://www.usenapp.com/forum/d/490-signature-delimiter-incorrect/2
Odd.

I cannot explain why he responds to some and not others.

he can't answer the hard stuff

He can't answer easy stuff.

Tyrone

2024-05-12 00:23:56 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

The Usenet client called Usenapp
It appears that the developer has 'disappeared' too.

No, he is just ignoring you. Wise decision on his part.

David Brooks

2024-05-12 06:58:55 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?
Really.
It's here for all to see:- http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171542206800
Is something 'broken' or simply another misunderstanding by me?

What do you think is broken?

The Usenet client called Usenapp
It appears that the developer has 'disappeared' too.

No, he is just ignoring you. Wise decision on his part.

I see.

Is he still located here?

Xorox
Brainpark II
Lichtenauerlaan 102-120
3062 ME Rotterdam
Netherlands

T i m

2024-05-12 09:50:02 UTC

On 12/05/2024 01:23, Tyrone wrote:

<snip>

Post by Tyrone
No, he is just ignoring you. Wise decision on his part.

I think David stole this little usenet shit creek because he was lonely,
potentially because he was being ignored by most people had had
encountered ITRW.

There is a good chance that even Baby Jeebers has stopped talking to him
now (as he seems even more lost).

But he has already stated that he is entitled, something that was
indoctrinated into him when in the Navy and that's both sad and unusual
as most ex service-men I've met have been modest and humble.

Maybe that's what originally broke him, having to repeatedly shout 'Yes
Sir, I'm the best sir' whilst peeling tons of potatoes?

Cheers, T i m

Mike Easter

2024-05-11 16:43:50 UTC

Post by David Brooks
What does this mean?

Not much of anything since Deja and GG are both gone, and they were the
only significant 'archivers' that I know of who honored xnay.

But, you have failed to make 'yourself' (your qx, the content of
your/this message's intent) crystal clear.

Your msg body content is simply an HK ref to a Tyrone msg in another ng
which contained xnay in the header using the UseNapp agent via SuperNews.

You could be saying/asking why Tyrone does that or why anyone does that
or whether or not anything 'different' happens w/ such a msg compared to
any other msg. If that last is the case, the short answer is basically
'No'.

Here's a 13 y/o treatment but GG was still alive then.

https://www.sweharris.org/post/2011-07-05-x-no-archive/

Post by David Brooks
X-No-Archive considered pointless
The need for X-No-Archive began when DejaNews debuted in 1995.

--
Mike Easter

Mike Easter

2024-05-11 18:45:54 UTC

Post by Mike Easter
Not much of anything since Deja and GG are both gone, and they were the
only significant 'archivers' that I know of who honored xnay.

The subject of xnay turned out to be somewhat more complicated; in the
past I've used gmane and I still use HK.

gmane honored xnay and 'arbitrarily' chose to do it by expiring msg/s
after 14 days using their cancel function. Their other expiry policies
were based on what number of days the header required. This policy was
explained back when the site was up in their section on Expiry:
X-Archive, Archive, and X-No-Archive. Archive can only be no.
X-No-Archive can only be yes. X-Archive can have an expiry value for
number of days.

gmane had its own quaint ways of implementing certain of its duties,
which are too extensive to go into here. It was a very useful archiving
service.

As far as I know, HK has never made any attempt to carry out any kind of
support for xnay or any other. I have not investigated other
'private/public' nntp servers such as SpamCop or GRC. xnay is a
voluntary X header function, of course, and had some meaning in GG &
Deja days.

--
Mike Easter

David Brooks

2024-05-11 21:21:22 UTC

Post by Mike Easter
Not much of anything since Deja and GG are both gone, and they were
the only significant 'archivers' that I know of who honored xnay.

The subject of xnay turned out to be somewhat more complicated; in the
past I've used gmane and I still use HK.
gmane honored xnay and 'arbitrarily' chose to do it by expiring msg/s
after 14 days using their cancel function. Their other expiry policies
were based on what number of days the header required. This policy was
X-Archive, Archive, and X-No-Archive. Archive can only be no.
X-No-Archive can only be yes. X-Archive can have an expiry value for
number of days.
gmane had its own quaint ways of implementing certain of its duties,
which are too extensive to go into here. It was a very useful archiving
service.
As far as I know, HK has never made any attempt to carry out any kind of
support for xnay or any other. I have not investigated other
'private/public' nntp servers such as SpamCop or GRC. xnay is a
voluntary X header function, of course, and had some meaning in GG &
Deja days.

Agreed. So why is it in use by Usenapp?

Mike Easter

2024-05-11 21:55:39 UTC

Post by David Brooks
why is it in use by Usenapp?

A properly configured news agent is *supposed* to be able to do that, by
historical and 'conventional' guidelines, such as GNKSA (which doesn't
include xnay as a requirement).

GNKSA is obsolete as well; Tb users have to mfr their own 'special'
headers in such as user_pref to do it.

There are a great many news agents which do NOT have all of the
'necessary' and 'desirable' features which other news agents have.
Personally I don't consider XNA to be necessary or desirable because of
its severe limitations and impracticality.

--
Mike Easter

David Brooks

2024-05-11 22:30:52 UTC

I don't consider XNA to be necessary or desirable because of its severe
limitations and impracticality.

Me neither!

Tyrone

2024-05-12 00:22:57 UTC

Post by Mike Easter
As far as I know, HK has never made any attempt to carry out any kind of
support for xnay or any other. I have not investigated other
'private/public' nntp servers such as SpamCop or GRC. xnay is a
voluntary X header function, of course, and had some meaning in GG &
Deja days.

Agreed. So why is it in use by Usenapp?

It's a fucking setting, you brain dead dipshit. Settings, Post, Custom Header.

Get a god damn clue.

David Brooks

2024-05-12 07:01:06 UTC

Agreed. So why is it in use by Usenapp?

It's a fucking setting, you brain dead dipshit. Settings, Post, Custom Header.

Why did you chose to use it when you must, surely, know it has no
function nowadays?

T i m

2024-05-12 10:11:19 UTC

On May 11, 2024 at 5:21:22 PM EDT, "David Brooks"

Agreed. So why is it in use by Usenapp?

It's a fucking setting, you brain dead dipshit. Settings, Post, Custom Header.

Why did you chose to use it when you must, surely, know it has no
function nowadays?

What if it was the default setting and no such choice was made?

A bit like most people don't choose to exploit, cause to suffer and die,
innocent and sentient creatures, they 'just do' because that's how they
are normalised into doing from when they were children. When their
parents were being indoctrinated there may have been a smaller
justification re survival, not the case today for most.

Like I was christened before I had a say in the matter but luckily it
means / results in nothing, so there were no real victims (re suffering,
exploitation and death esp).

Cheers, T i m

Tyrone

2024-05-12 14:00:09 UTC