What is YOUR view?

[David]

https://robinhorsfall.substack.com/p/crazy-things-happen-when-crazy-people

I like the way Robin puts things out there!

[Mike Easter]

Post by David
https://robinhorsfall.substack.com/p/crazy-things-happen-when-crazy-people

I disagree w/ the old .uk soldier, in that floating the idea in order to
consider all kinds of options for Gaza is a good idea; because it is NOT
going back to the way it was.

Post by David
Palestinians will not give up their remaining land.

That is NOT 'Palestinian' land. In the past, when there was hope for a
two state solution in the last century, there was an *idea* (Trump has
now expressed another idea, a different idea) that there could be a
Palestinian state in that part of the world.

What followed was various Arab nations attacked Israel numerous times
and Israel 'beat them back' and 'took charge' of the territory by
military victories.

In the past, Israel thought they could 'manage' such as Gaza and be
secure. Israel, not only Netanyahu, but a lot of Israelis and a lot of
.usians do not believe that it is practical to allow millions of people
who elect terrorists and Israel haters and destroyers to control the
territory where they live.

So... it is no longer 'practical' for such Arabs who like to call
themselves 'Palestinians' (as if there were such a state, which there is
not) to live in/ populate/ control in any manner, the devastated
property upon which they are now living and cannot possibly afford to
rebuild because they have no state and no capital (as in $$) or even any
means of productivity.

They are going to have to get out of Dodge. The fact that no one (as in
neighboring Arab countries) wants them is a big problem for them, but
Israel doesn't want to try to solve that problem for them anymore. Been
there, tried that, didn't work.

They have to go somewhere; no one wants to rebuild for them. The only
entity which has broached the subject of 'rebuilding' so far is Trump,
but he doesn't want to rebuild it for displaced alleged 'Palestinians'
(which term = Jew haters who want the destruction and elimination of
Israel) so all of the so-called Palestinians who are not only
non-productive but now 'homeless' are going to have to find homes for
themselves somewhere else.

[Mike Easter]

it is NOT going back to the way it was.

Here's an old article, written in '23 Oct, assessing the problems for
the population which was/is/has been/ living in that part of the world.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/war-gaza-and-death-two-state-solution

That old article of course did not address 'outlandish' ideas like
Trump's, but I do NOT think that trying to sustain the non-productive
mostly young Arabs surviving in Gaza which is a non-productive part of
the world agriculturally and with rather dire water problems whose only
productivity is Israeli-owned and dev/d petroleum by *aid* from other
countries or the UN or whoever is a sound idea.

It only provides 'sustenance' for future conflicts. Let it be either a
rather unpopulated desert, or 'depopulated' in favor of some kind of
commercial development by /real/ people, not young impoverished Arab
Jew-haters.

[Mike Easter]

That is NOT 'Palestinian' land.  In the past, when there was hope for a
two state solution in the last century, there was an *idea* (Trump has
now expressed another idea, a different idea) that there could be a
Palestinian state in that part of the world.

There is a LOT of history (start w/ your watching the Peter O'Toole
movie Lawrence of Arabia) about that region, and WW I is a good place to
start, and then jump to WW II and its aftermath.

I'm currently reading an article about the last time the Israelis needed
to purge the area of Arabs, which wasn't very nice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestine_war

During the war, massacres and acts of terror were conducted by and against both sides.

The long and short of that period of history is that Israel is a
successful state within a larger area, and the term 'Palestine' is a
'toponym' to describe a region, like 'Atlantic' or Sahara.

We should also recognize that after the Brits defeated the Ottoman
Empire, there was a 'Mandatory Palestine' which should be considered a
geopolitical entity and 'mandatory' refers to a League of Nations
'mandate' an international law legal status, as separate from the
conventional meaning of 'necessary' or 'compulsory'.

I will say that there are quite a few UN countries which favor
Palestinian statehood, but that does not include some important ones
which are opposed such as the US.

[David]

Post by Mike Easter

That is NOT 'Palestinian' land.  In the past, when there was hope for
a two state solution in the last century, there was an *idea* (Trump
has now expressed another idea, a different idea) that there could be
a Palestinian state in that part of the world.

There is a LOT of history (start w/ your watching the Peter O'Toole
movie Lawrence of Arabia) about that region, and WW I is a good place to
start, and then jump to WW II and its aftermath.
I'm currently reading an article about the last time the Israelis needed
to purge the area of Arabs, which wasn't very nice.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestine_war

During the war, massacres and acts of terror were conducted by and against both sides.

The long and short of that period of history is that Israel is a
successful state within a larger area, and the term 'Palestine' is a
'toponym' to describe a region, like 'Atlantic' or Sahara.
We should also recognize that after the Brits defeated the Ottoman
Empire, there was a 'Mandatory Palestine' which should be considered a
geopolitical entity and 'mandatory' refers to a League of Nations
'mandate' an international law legal status, as separate from the
conventional meaning of 'necessary' or 'compulsory'.
I will say that there are quite a few UN countries which favor
Palestinian statehood, but that does not include some important ones
which are opposed such as the US.

I've read every word you have 'said' on this matter, Mike, and I applaud
you for your wisdom.

The film you mention, "Lawrence of Arabia", is one of the best films
ever made (in my opinion) and should be watched by anyone who has any
kind of interest in the Middle East.

I was distraught to hear the current British Prime Minister, at Prime
Minister's Questions, in Parliament yesterday, still support the idea of
a two-state solution.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/05/uk-disagrees-with-donald-trump-proposals-for-us-takeover-of-gaza-david-lammy?utm_source=chatgpt.com