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David
2025-02-11 10:16:54 UTC
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Subject: Scan result - POSITIVE!
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 10:15:42 +0000
From: David <***@example.net>
Newsgroups: uk.comp.sys.mac

Here's a screenshot .....

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ChatGPT says ....

Trojan.OSX.RustAgent is a term that may refer to a category of macOS
malware developed using the Rust programming language. One notable
example is "RustDoor," a persistent macOS backdoor identified in early
2024. RustDoor is distributed under various disguises, including as a
Visual Studio update, and is capable of running on both Intel-based and
Apple Silicon architectures. Its functionalities include executing
arbitrary shell commands, uploading and downloading files, and
establishing persistence through multiple methods such as modifying
system files and creating LaunchAgents. The malware communicates with
command and control servers to receive instructions and exfiltrate data.
Notably, some infrastructure associated with RustDoor has been linked to
the ALPHV/BlackCat ransomware group, though a definitive connection has
not been established. citeturn0search2

Another instance of Rust-based macOS malware is "RustBucket," which has
been observed to masquerade as legitimate applications to deceive users.
These malware variants highlight a growing trend of using the Rust
programming language to develop cross-platform threats targeting macOS
systems. citeturn0search4

It's important to note that the term "Trojan.OSX.Agent" is a generic
classification used by security vendors to identify macOS trojans with
varying functionalities. For example, Kaspersky's definition of
"Trojan.OSX.Agent.gen" describes it as a malicious program designed to
electronically spy on the user's activities, such as intercepting
keyboard input and taking screenshots. citeturn0search1

Given the evolving nature of malware, it's crucial to keep macOS systems
updated and employ reputable security solutions to detect and mitigate
such threats.
Brock McNuggets
2025-02-11 16:19:03 UTC
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-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Scan result - POSITIVE!
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 10:15:42 +0000
Newsgroups: uk.comp.sys.mac
Here's a screenshot .....
https://i.ibb.co/twzPJxTy/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png
Currently not loading, at least for me... but was this from your personal
scan?
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ChatGPT says ....
Trojan.OSX.RustAgent is a term that may refer to a category of macOS
malware developed using the Rust programming language. One notable
example is "RustDoor," a persistent macOS backdoor identified in early
2024. RustDoor is distributed under various disguises, including as a
Visual Studio update, and is capable of running on both Intel-based and
Apple Silicon architectures. Its functionalities include executing
arbitrary shell commands, uploading and downloading files, and
establishing persistence through multiple methods such as modifying
system files and creating LaunchAgents. The malware communicates with
command and control servers to receive instructions and exfiltrate data.
Notably, some infrastructure associated with RustDoor has been linked to
the ALPHV/BlackCat ransomware group, though a definitive connection has
not been established. citeturn0search2
Another instance of Rust-based macOS malware is "RustBucket," which has
been observed to masquerade as legitimate applications to deceive users.
These malware variants highlight a growing trend of using the Rust
programming language to develop cross-platform threats targeting macOS
systems. citeturn0search4
It's important to note that the term "Trojan.OSX.Agent" is a generic
classification used by security vendors to identify macOS trojans with
varying functionalities. For example, Kaspersky's definition of
"Trojan.OSX.Agent.gen" describes it as a malicious program designed to
electronically spy on the user's activities, such as intercepting
keyboard input and taking screenshots. citeturn0search1
Given the evolving nature of malware, it's crucial to keep macOS systems
updated and employ reputable security solutions to detect and mitigate
such threats.
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David
2025-02-11 16:48:15 UTC
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FYI
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Scan result - POSITIVE!
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 10:15:42 +0000
Newsgroups: uk.comp.sys.mac
Here's a screenshot .....
https://i.ibb.co/twzPJxTy/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png
Currently not loading, at least for me... but was this from your personal
scan?[....]
Yes, it was.

Have you tried another browser?
Brock McNuggets
2025-02-11 16:59:57 UTC
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-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Scan result - POSITIVE!
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 10:15:42 +0000
Newsgroups: uk.comp.sys.mac
Here's a screenshot .....
https://i.ibb.co/twzPJxTy/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png
Currently not loading, at least for me... but was this from your personal
scan?[....]
Yes, it was.
Have you tried another browser?
Now loading but super slow... on Safari and Chrome.

What is the full path? Looks like it was in an email.
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David
2025-02-11 17:24:45 UTC
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FYI
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Scan result - POSITIVE!
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 10:15:42 +0000
Newsgroups: uk.comp.sys.mac
Here's a screenshot .....
https://i.ibb.co/twzPJxTy/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png
Currently not loading, at least for me... but was this from your personal
scan?[....]
Yes, it was.
Have you tried another browser?
Now loading but super slow... on Safari and Chrome.
What is the full path? Looks like it was in an email.
Never in email. It's simply a screenshot from my Apple iMac.

Here's another:- https://i.postimg.cc/G90xkt54/temp-Image-EJMz6h.avif

HTH
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Brock McNuggets
2025-02-12 00:32:14 UTC
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FYI
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Scan result - POSITIVE!
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 10:15:42 +0000
Newsgroups: uk.comp.sys.mac
Here's a screenshot .....
https://i.ibb.co/twzPJxTy/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png
Currently not loading, at least for me... but was this from your personal
scan?[....]
Yes, it was.
Have you tried another browser?
Now loading but super slow... on Safari and Chrome.
What is the full path? Looks like it was in an email.
Never in email. It's simply a screenshot from my Apple iMac.
Here's another:- https://i.postimg.cc/G90xkt54/temp-Image-EJMz6h.avif
HTH
Is the file one that was an attachment on an email you got?
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Mike Easter
2025-02-11 17:11:46 UTC
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BDB both cited chatgpt again AND 'forwarded' a msg to the group:
Yuck.

On the one hand, I don't like to 'broadcast' my choices for filtering,
but on the other, occasionally I do 'remark' w/o necessarily giving
/all/ the details.

Tb doesn't have very good filtering apparatus, so the filters are by
necessity, simple.

My filtering is in two modes; one mode the msg/s 'disappear' from my
viewing so I never see them, even if they might have been interesting.

That is 'harsh'.

The other mode is to mark the msg/s as 'read', so that I might read them
or I might not, more likely not.

BDB, your status has been 'downgraded' to filtering as read; pending
consideration for deleted.
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David
2025-02-11 17:26:17 UTC
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Yuck.
On the one hand, I don't like to 'broadcast' my choices for filtering,
but on the other, occasionally I do 'remark' w/o necessarily giving /
all/ the details.
Tb doesn't have very good filtering apparatus, so the filters are by
necessity, simple.
My filtering is in two modes; one mode the msg/s 'disappear' from my
viewing so I never see them, even if they might have been interesting.
That is 'harsh'.
The other mode is to mark the msg/s as 'read', so that I might read them
or I might not, more likely not.
BDB, your status has been 'downgraded' to filtering as read; pending
consideration for deleted.
Cor blimmey!!! ;-)

Your comments, pleas?

https://i.postimg.cc/G90xkt54/temp-Image-EJMz6h.avif
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Mike Easter
2025-02-11 20:28:16 UTC
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Your comments, pleas?
I wasn't going to reply to this because you are on probation, but I will
comment and also have some more words to say about my generic
recommendations about filtering, as my earlier remark was 'out of
character' re my recommendations, particularly about 'broadcasting'.

One problem w/ taking AI/chatgpt too 'seriously' as if it should be
assumed to be (relatively) correct is that if it doesn't have any really
useful 'evidence' for something, it is liable to lead you astray.

The 'hard' term "trojan.osx.rustagent" where hard implies searching on
the exact term w/ a general search engine such as google's (discounting
Post by David
No result found for trojan.osx.rustagent
Further, unlike some more prominent AV agents, clamxav does not have a
reference database to say exactly what it 'means' when it gives that report.

And even further; I'm surprised you are actually *USING* clamxav after
all of the negative things you have had to say about both its dev as
well as the 'necessity' or non-necessity of mac users using 3rd party AVs.

Now back to my 'don't broadcast (specific) filters' because that is 'not
nice' or rude, but DO...

Have a philosophy about filtering, such as levels of ignoring: mentally
ignore w/ no algo, mark as read as a mentally ignore aid, harsh algo
making all of a type of msg completely disappear (and be relatively
inaccessible).

Mentally ignoring is an essential 'aid' to filtering; one should be able
to 'see' something and ignore it, ie not respond 'unproductively'.

Some people can NOT see something annoying and ignore it; and so they
respond to the annoying msg in an even more annoying way. That has been
the way between SC & Snit to the point that for my convenience I made
both of them disappear. Such harsh filters should be 'reconsidered' from
time to time, because invisibility is hard for 'someone' to overcome.

By marking a message as read is an aid to mentally prompt one to be
'extra-ignoring' from a mental perspective. Those are the msg/s which
are more likely to be responded 'negatively' or 'unpleasantly' and one
should try to minimize one's own msg/s from that feature/character.
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David
2025-02-11 20:50:40 UTC
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Your comments, please?
I wasn't going to reply to this because you are on probation, but I will
comment and also have some more words to say about my generic
recommendations about filtering, as my earlier remark was 'out of
character' re my recommendations, particularly about 'broadcasting'.
OK :-)
Post by Mike Easter
One problem w/ taking AI/chatgpt too 'seriously' as if it should be
assumed to be (relatively) correct is that if it doesn't have any really
useful 'evidence' for something, it is liable to lead you astray.
It seems pretty accurate to me!
Post by Mike Easter
The 'hard' term "trojan.osx.rustagent" where hard implies searching on
the exact term w/ a general search engine such as google's (discounting
No result found for trojan.osx.rustagent
Here?
https://www.darkreading.com/threat-intelligence/macos-targeted-by-new-backdoor-linked-to-alphv-ransomware
Post by Mike Easter
Further, unlike some more prominent AV agents, clamxav does not have a
reference database to say exactly what it 'means' when it gives that report.
I agree that's not good. :-(
Post by Mike Easter
And even further; I'm surprised you are actually *USING* clamxav after
all of the negative things you have had to say about both its dev as
well as the 'necessity' or non-necessity of mac users using 3rd party AVs.
All part and parcel of my investigative process.

Did you see this from today's posts?
Loading Image...
Post by Mike Easter
Now back to my 'don't broadcast (specific) filters' because that is 'not
nice' or rude, but DO...
Have a philosophy about filtering, such as levels of ignoring: mentally
ignore w/ no algo, mark as read as a mentally ignore aid, harsh algo
making all of a type of msg completely disappear (and be relatively
inaccessible).
I don't block anyone
Post by Mike Easter
Mentally ignoring is an essential 'aid' to filtering; one should be able
to 'see' something and ignore it, ie not respond 'unproductively'.
Some people can NOT see something annoying and ignore it; and so they
respond to the annoying msg in an even more annoying way.  That has been
the way between SC & Snit to the point that for my convenience I made
both of them disappear. Such harsh filters should be 'reconsidered' from
time to time, because invisibility is hard for 'someone' to overcome.
By marking a message as read is an aid to mentally prompt one to be
'extra-ignoring' from a mental perspective.  Those are the msg/s which
are more likely to be responded 'negatively' or 'unpleasantly' and one
should try to minimize one's own msg/s from that feature/character.
I do my best to ignore peecent (%) - 'cause he's a native American and
not too bright!
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David
%
2025-02-11 20:59:21 UTC
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Post by Mike Easter
Your comments, please?
I wasn't going to reply to this because you are on probation, but I
will comment and also have some more words to say about my generic
recommendations about filtering, as my earlier remark was 'out of
character' re my recommendations, particularly about 'broadcasting'.
OK :-)
Post by Mike Easter
One problem w/ taking AI/chatgpt too 'seriously' as if it should be
assumed to be (relatively) correct is that if it doesn't have any
really useful 'evidence' for something, it is liable to lead you astray.
It seems pretty accurate to me!
Post by Mike Easter
The 'hard' term "trojan.osx.rustagent" where hard implies searching on
the exact term w/ a general search engine such as google's
No result found for trojan.osx.rustagent
Here?
https://www.darkreading.com/threat-intelligence/macos-targeted-by-new-backdoor-linked-to-alphv-ransomware
Post by Mike Easter
Further, unlike some more prominent AV agents, clamxav does not have a
reference database to say exactly what it 'means' when it gives that report.
I agree that's not good. :-(
Post by Mike Easter
And even further; I'm surprised you are actually *USING* clamxav after
all of the negative things you have had to say about both its dev as
well as the 'necessity' or non-necessity of mac users using 3rd party AVs.
All part and parcel of my investigative process.
Did you see this from today's posts?
https://i.ibb.co/tp51skhP/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-18-35-01.png
Post by Mike Easter
Now back to my 'don't broadcast (specific) filters' because that is
'not nice' or rude, but DO...
mentally ignore w/ no algo, mark as read as a mentally ignore aid,
harsh algo making all of a type of msg completely disappear (and be
relatively inaccessible).
I don't block anyone
Post by Mike Easter
Mentally ignoring is an essential 'aid' to filtering; one should be
able to 'see' something and ignore it, ie not respond 'unproductively'.
Some people can NOT see something annoying and ignore it; and so they
respond to the annoying msg in an even more annoying way.  That has
been the way between SC & Snit to the point that for my convenience I
made both of them disappear. Such harsh filters should be
'reconsidered' from time to time, because invisibility is hard for
'someone' to overcome.
By marking a message as read is an aid to mentally prompt one to be
'extra-ignoring' from a mental perspective.  Those are the msg/s which
are more likely to be responded 'negatively' or 'unpleasantly' and one
should try to minimize one's own msg/s from that feature/character.
I do my best to ignore peecent (%) - 'cause he's a native American and
not too bright!
brightness is not a requirement to post here obviously ,
Kisê-manitow
David
2025-02-11 22:28:48 UTC
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On 11/02/2025 20:59, % wrote:
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Post by %
brightness is not a requirement to post here obviously ,
Kisê-manitow
When I was growing up, I never worried about the bills being paid each
month. These concerns were beyond my comprehension, grasp, and concern.
As I got a little older, I started to realize the magnitude of all the
regular bills that a responsible adult needed to pay.

As I was learning about the early fur trade and the treaties that were
made here in Canada between some of the Indigenous people and early
settlers, I read a statement made by a Nehiyawak (Cree) Elder. The
statement had to do with God the Creator being much more capable of
taking care of them than any government with any treaty or agreement.
This was a good reminder for me as an adult with responsibilities and a
connection to the land.

The Nehiyawak Elder said, “You are telling us all this, (yet) you will
never be able to treat us the way we are treated by Manito. Look at this
land with its abundance of food for us. You’ll never be able to match
that; you will not be able to do this.” As these words were being
spoken, as the steady advancement of this new civilization in Canada was
being formed, the near-extinction of the buffalo and the beaver was
taking shape.

The word “Manitou,” according to the Algonquian religious belief system,
refers to a supernatural force connected with humans and spirits. The
Plains Cree word for what is referred to as “Manito” in this quotation
is Kisê-manitow, which means the Creator, the Great Spirit. When I’m
referring to what this Cree Elder said, I’m referring to God as the
Bible describes him to be.

There are so many variations in the Indigenous languages across North
America that it’s virtually impossible to use a “correct” term that
satisfies us all. Even within the Cree language, there are different
types of Cree dialects, never mind other language groups such as
Algonquian. So even within this column, we all can learn something new
about Indigenous people.

Matthew 6:26-27 says, “Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or
reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them.
Are you not much more valuable than they? Can any one of you by worrying
add a single hour to your life?” Jesus is saying that not only are the
birds of the air taken care of, but we are even more important than the
birds. God through Jesus takes care of us and provides for us all as
humans. He is the Creator and sustainer of us all.

The next time I feel overwhelmed about my bills, I need to take all
these words to heart and relax. God through Jesus Christ works through
people to help us with what we need, but it is still God who is doing
the providing. Whether it was my Indigenous people a few hundred years
ago, my parents who have passed on, or myself, we all relied on God to
provide in ways that no other person or government ever could.

I thank you, Kisê-manitow — God — for being my provider! 🙂

Ref:- https://www.thebanner.org/columns/2022/10/kise-manitow
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David
A believer :-)
Mike Easter
2025-02-11 21:04:18 UTC
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Post by Mike Easter
Your comments, please?
One problem w/ taking AI/chatgpt too 'seriously' as if it should be
assumed to be (relatively) correct is that if it doesn't have any
really useful 'evidence' for something, it is liable to lead you astray.
It seems pretty accurate to me!
You take chatgpt too seriously and you don't 'get it' when it is 'wrong'
-- where 'wrong' covers a very hugely wide range of 'not exactly' to
'not even'.
Post by David
Post by Mike Easter
The 'hard' term "trojan.osx.rustagent" where hard implies searching on
the exact term w/ a general search engine such as google's
No result found for trojan.osx.rustagent
Here? https://www.darkreading.com/threat-intelligence/macos-targeted-by-
new-backdoor-linked-to-alphv-ransomware
Excellent example of your taking 'something' too seriously. Guess what,
trojan.osx.rustagent != (does NOT equal) Trojan.MAC.RustDoor

'Your' chatgpt was trying to tell you that, but you weren't listening
properly.
Post by David
All part and parcel of my investigative process.
Looks like a vanilla clamxav USER to me.
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David
2025-02-11 22:41:53 UTC
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Post by Mike Easter
Your comments, please?
One problem w/ taking AI/chatgpt too 'seriously' as if it should be
assumed to be (relatively) correct is that if it doesn't have any
really useful 'evidence' for something, it is liable to lead you astray.
It seems pretty accurate to me!
You take chatgpt too seriously and you don't 'get it' when it is 'wrong'
-- where 'wrong' covers a very hugely wide range of 'not exactly' to
'not even'.
AI is THE most important discovery in the 21st century!
Post by Mike Easter
Post by David
Post by Mike Easter
The 'hard' term "trojan.osx.rustagent" where hard implies searching
on the exact term w/ a general search engine such as google's
No result found for trojan.osx.rustagent
Here? https://www.darkreading.com/threat-intelligence/macos-targeted-
by- new-backdoor-linked-to-alphv-ransomware
Excellent example of your taking 'something' too seriously.  Guess what,
trojan.osx.rustagent != (does NOT equal) Trojan.MAC.RustDoor
You may well think that - and be WRONG!
Post by Mike Easter
'Your' chatgpt was trying to tell you that, but you weren't listening
properly.
It's not an easy task. Try it!
Post by Mike Easter
Post by David
All part and parcel of my investigative process.
Looks like a vanilla clamxav USER to me.
I've asked Mark Allan to comment, especially on this message:-

https://i.ibb.co/tp51skhP/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-18-35-01.png

You might like to investigate WHY the post has been removed from the ASC
forums.
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Mike Easter
2025-02-11 23:16:03 UTC
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AI is THE most important discovery in the 21st century!
Artificial intelligence was founded as an academic discipline in
1956,[6] and the field went through multiple cycles of optimism
throughout its history,[7][8] followed by periods of disappointment
and loss of funding, known as AI winters.
... and the 'idea' (as opposed to an 'academic discipline' has been
around a LOT longer than that.
Post by David
The history of artificial intelligence (AI) began in antiquity, with
myths, stories, and rumors of artificial beings endowed with
intelligence or consciousness by master craftsmen. The study of
logic and formal reasoning from antiquity to the present led
directly to the invention of the programmable digital computer in
the 1940s, a machine based on abstract mathematical reasoning. This
device and the ideas behind it inspired scientists to begin
discussing the possibility of building an electronic brain.
So, now we are out of previous AI 'winter' and into fuller bloom and a
lot of hype. It isn't 'magic' anymore than the myths of antiquity.
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David
2025-02-11 23:41:15 UTC
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Post by David
AI is THE most important discovery in the 21st century!
Artificial intelligence was founded as an academic discipline in 1956,
[6] and the field went through multiple cycles of optimism throughout
its history,[7][8] followed by periods of disappointment and loss of
funding, known as AI winters.
... and the 'idea' (as opposed to an 'academic discipline' has been
around a LOT longer than that.
Post by David
The history of artificial intelligence (AI) began in antiquity, with
myths, stories, and rumors of artificial beings endowed with
intelligence or consciousness by master craftsmen. The study of
logic and formal reasoning from antiquity to the present led
directly to the invention of the programmable digital computer in
the 1940s, a machine based on abstract mathematical reasoning. This
device and the ideas behind it inspired scientists to begin
discussing the possibility of building an electronic brain.
So, now we are out of previous AI 'winter' and into fuller bloom and a
lot of hype.  It isn't 'magic' anymore than the myths of antiquity.
I downloaded, installed and did a deep scan with Avira (free)

It found and quarantined six items. I have deleted then and emptied the
trash Bin!
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at bed time!
Mike Easter
2025-02-12 02:09:46 UTC
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I downloaded, installed and did a deep scan with Avira (free)
It found and quarantined six items. I have deleted then and emptied the
trash Bin!
*EXACTLY* what name did Avira give the 'threat'.

Unlike ClamXAV, Avira DOES have a 'virus' (or whatever malware)
database, and a search on the exact name you posted for clamxav's find
does NOT appear in the Avira db.

https://www.avira.com/en/support-virus-lab?threat=trojan.osx.rustagent
Post by David
Sorry, there are no results matching your search criteria. Please try again.
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David
2025-02-12 09:04:47 UTC
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I downloaded, installed and did a deep scan with Avira (free)
It found and quarantined six items. I have deleted then and emptied
the trash Bin!
*EXACTLY* what name did Avira give the 'threat'.
Here's a screenshot giving names:-

Loading Image...
Post by Mike Easter
Unlike ClamXAV, Avira DOES have a 'virus' (or whatever malware)
database, and a search on the exact name you posted for clamxav's find
does NOT appear in the Avira db.
https://www.avira.com/en/support-virus-lab?threat=trojan.osx.rustagent
Post by David
 Sorry, there are no results matching your search criteria. Please try
again.
What an interesting observation, Mike. I wonder if you are suggesting
that the ClamXAV result was a 'false positive' - maybe generated to make
the product user think that ClamXAV is doing a useful job.

It will be interesting to learn what, if anything, Mark Allan has to say.
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David
Brock McNuggets
2025-02-12 15:02:27 UTC
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Post by David
I downloaded, installed and did a deep scan with Avira (free)
It found and quarantined six items. I have deleted then and emptied
the trash Bin!
*EXACTLY* what name did Avira give the 'threat'.
Here's a screenshot giving names:-
https://i.ibb.co/rfKPp9ST/Screenshot-2025-02-12-at-08-57-44.png
Post by Mike Easter
Unlike ClamXAV, Avira DOES have a 'virus' (or whatever malware)
database, and a search on the exact name you posted for clamxav's find
does NOT appear in the Avira db.
https://www.avira.com/en/support-virus-lab?threat=trojan.osx.rustagent
Post by David
Sorry, there are no results matching your search criteria. Please try again.
What an interesting observation, Mike. I wonder if you are suggesting
that the ClamXAV result was a 'false positive' - maybe generated to make
the product user think that ClamXAV is doing a useful job.
It will be interesting to learn what, if anything, Mark Allan has to say.
Where is the malware? The path is cut off. Looks like something you got in
email...
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David
2025-02-12 17:35:13 UTC
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I downloaded, installed and did a deep scan with Avira (free)
It found and quarantined six items. I have deleted then and emptied
the trash Bin!
*EXACTLY* what name did Avira give the 'threat'.
Here's a screenshot giving names:-
https://i.ibb.co/rfKPp9ST/Screenshot-2025-02-12-at-08-57-44.png
Post by Mike Easter
Unlike ClamXAV, Avira DOES have a 'virus' (or whatever malware)
database, and a search on the exact name you posted for clamxav's find
does NOT appear in the Avira db.
https://www.avira.com/en/support-virus-lab?threat=trojan.osx.rustagent
Post by David
Sorry, there are no results matching your search criteria. Please try again.
What an interesting observation, Mike. I wonder if you are suggesting
that the ClamXAV result was a 'false positive' - maybe generated to make
the product user think that ClamXAV is doing a useful job.
It will be interesting to learn what, if anything, Mark Allan has to say.
Where is the malware? The path is cut off. Looks like something you got in
email...
The malware has been binned! :-D

Which "path" was "cut off"?
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Mark Allan has not yet responded.
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2025-02-12 21:06:10 UTC
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I downloaded, installed and did a deep scan with Avira (free)
It found and quarantined six items. I have deleted then and emptied
the trash Bin!
*EXACTLY* what name did Avira give the 'threat'.
Here's a screenshot giving names:-
https://i.ibb.co/rfKPp9ST/Screenshot-2025-02-12-at-08-57-44.png
Post by Mike Easter
Unlike ClamXAV, Avira DOES have a 'virus' (or whatever malware)
database, and a search on the exact name you posted for clamxav's find
does NOT appear in the Avira db.
https://www.avira.com/en/support-virus-lab?threat=trojan.osx.rustagent
Post by David
Sorry, there are no results matching your search criteria. Please try again.
What an interesting observation, Mike. I wonder if you are suggesting
that the ClamXAV result was a 'false positive' - maybe generated to make
the product user think that ClamXAV is doing a useful job.
It will be interesting to learn what, if anything, Mark Allan has to say.
Where is the malware? The path is cut off. Looks like something you got in
email...
The malware has been binned! :-D
Which "path" was "cut off"?
One in a previous image that showed the Thunderbird folder in your library, I
believe.
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2025-02-12 23:50:44 UTC
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I downloaded, installed and did a deep scan with Avira (free)
It found and quarantined six items. I have deleted then and emptied
the trash Bin!
*EXACTLY* what name did Avira give the 'threat'.
Here's a screenshot giving names:-
https://i.ibb.co/rfKPp9ST/Screenshot-2025-02-12-at-08-57-44.png
Post by Mike Easter
Unlike ClamXAV, Avira DOES have a 'virus' (or whatever malware)
database, and a search on the exact name you posted for clamxav's find
does NOT appear in the Avira db.
https://www.avira.com/en/support-virus-lab?threat=trojan.osx.rustagent
Post by David
Sorry, there are no results matching your search criteria. Please try again.
What an interesting observation, Mike. I wonder if you are suggesting
that the ClamXAV result was a 'false positive' - maybe generated to make
the product user think that ClamXAV is doing a useful job.
It will be interesting to learn what, if anything, Mark Allan has to say.
Where is the malware? The path is cut off. Looks like something you got in
email...
The malware has been binned! :-D
Which "path" was "cut off"?
One in a previous image that showed the Thunderbird folder in your library, I
believe.
Please - forgive me - please /show/ me what you mean.
--
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2025-02-13 00:10:43 UTC
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I downloaded, installed and did a deep scan with Avira (free)
It found and quarantined six items. I have deleted then and emptied
the trash Bin!
*EXACTLY* what name did Avira give the 'threat'.
Here's a screenshot giving names:-
https://i.ibb.co/rfKPp9ST/Screenshot-2025-02-12-at-08-57-44.png
Post by Mike Easter
Unlike ClamXAV, Avira DOES have a 'virus' (or whatever malware)
database, and a search on the exact name you posted for clamxav's find
does NOT appear in the Avira db.
https://www.avira.com/en/support-virus-lab?threat=trojan.osx.rustagent
Post by David
Sorry, there are no results matching your search criteria. Please try again.
What an interesting observation, Mike. I wonder if you are suggesting
that the ClamXAV result was a 'false positive' - maybe generated to make
the product user think that ClamXAV is doing a useful job.
It will be interesting to learn what, if anything, Mark Allan has to say.
Where is the malware? The path is cut off. Looks like something you got in
email...
The malware has been binned! :-D
Which "path" was "cut off"?
One in a previous image that showed the Thunderbird folder in your library, I
believe.
Please - forgive me - please /show/ me what you mean.
I would have to see the screenshot again. I just dug back a few posts and do
not see the URL. Do you have it?
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2025-02-13 07:58:50 UTC
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I downloaded, installed and did a deep scan with Avira (free)
It found and quarantined six items. I have deleted then and emptied
the trash Bin!
*EXACTLY* what name did Avira give the 'threat'.
Here's a screenshot giving names:-
https://i.ibb.co/rfKPp9ST/Screenshot-2025-02-12-at-08-57-44.png
Post by Mike Easter
Unlike ClamXAV, Avira DOES have a 'virus' (or whatever malware)
database, and a search on the exact name you posted for clamxav's find
does NOT appear in the Avira db.
https://www.avira.com/en/support-virus-lab?threat=trojan.osx.rustagent
Post by David
Sorry, there are no results matching your search criteria. Please try
again.
What an interesting observation, Mike. I wonder if you are suggesting
that the ClamXAV result was a 'false positive' - maybe generated to make
the product user think that ClamXAV is doing a useful job.
It will be interesting to learn what, if anything, Mark Allan has to say.
Where is the malware? The path is cut off. Looks like something you got in
email...
The malware has been binned! :-D
Which "path" was "cut off"?
One in a previous image that showed the Thunderbird folder in your library, I
believe.
Please - forgive me - please /show/ me what you mean.
I would have to see the screenshot again. I just dug back a few posts and do
not see the URL. Do you have it?
I've changed the way that things look in this screenshot:-

Loading Image...

Is this what you meant?
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2025-02-13 16:41:52 UTC
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I downloaded, installed and did a deep scan with Avira (free)
It found and quarantined six items. I have deleted then and emptied
the trash Bin!
*EXACTLY* what name did Avira give the 'threat'.
Here's a screenshot giving names:-
https://i.ibb.co/rfKPp9ST/Screenshot-2025-02-12-at-08-57-44.png
Post by Mike Easter
Unlike ClamXAV, Avira DOES have a 'virus' (or whatever malware)
database, and a search on the exact name you posted for clamxav's find
does NOT appear in the Avira db.
https://www.avira.com/en/support-virus-lab?threat=trojan.osx.rustagent
Post by David
Sorry, there are no results matching your search criteria. Please try
again.
What an interesting observation, Mike. I wonder if you are suggesting
that the ClamXAV result was a 'false positive' - maybe generated to make
the product user think that ClamXAV is doing a useful job.
It will be interesting to learn what, if anything, Mark Allan has to say.
Where is the malware? The path is cut off. Looks like something you got in
email...
The malware has been binned! :-D
Which "path" was "cut off"?
One in a previous image that showed the Thunderbird folder in your library, I
believe.
Please - forgive me - please /show/ me what you mean.
I would have to see the screenshot again. I just dug back a few posts and do
not see the URL. Do you have it?
I've changed the way that things look in this screenshot:-
https://i.ibb.co/RGQJ9vX7/Screenshot-2025-02-12-at-18-42-12.png
Is this what you meant?
Yes... and my suspicion was correct. Mail attachments.
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2025-02-13 16:48:53 UTC
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I downloaded, installed and did a deep scan with Avira (free)
It found and quarantined six items. I have deleted then and emptied
the trash Bin!
*EXACTLY* what name did Avira give the 'threat'.
Here's a screenshot giving names:-
https://i.ibb.co/rfKPp9ST/Screenshot-2025-02-12-at-08-57-44.png
Post by Mike Easter
Unlike ClamXAV, Avira DOES have a 'virus' (or whatever malware)
database, and a search on the exact name you posted for clamxav's find
does NOT appear in the Avira db.
https://www.avira.com/en/support-virus-lab?threat=trojan.osx.rustagent
Post by David
Sorry, there are no results matching your search criteria. Please try
again.
What an interesting observation, Mike. I wonder if you are suggesting
that the ClamXAV result was a 'false positive' - maybe generated to make
the product user think that ClamXAV is doing a useful job.
It will be interesting to learn what, if anything, Mark Allan has to say.
Where is the malware? The path is cut off. Looks like something you got in
email...
The malware has been binned! :-D
Which "path" was "cut off"?
One in a previous image that showed the Thunderbird folder in your library, I
believe.
Please - forgive me - please /show/ me what you mean.
I would have to see the screenshot again. I just dug back a few posts and do
not see the URL. Do you have it?
I've changed the way that things look in this screenshot:-
https://i.ibb.co/RGQJ9vX7/Screenshot-2025-02-12-at-18-42-12.png
Is this what you meant?
Yes... and my suspicion was correct. Mail attachments.
Agreed.

All gone now! :-)
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2025-02-13 17:41:32 UTC
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I downloaded, installed and did a deep scan with Avira (free)
It found and quarantined six items. I have deleted then and emptied
the trash Bin!
*EXACTLY* what name did Avira give the 'threat'.
Here's a screenshot giving names:-
https://i.ibb.co/rfKPp9ST/Screenshot-2025-02-12-at-08-57-44.png
Post by Mike Easter
Unlike ClamXAV, Avira DOES have a 'virus' (or whatever malware)
database, and a search on the exact name you posted for clamxav's find
does NOT appear in the Avira db.
https://www.avira.com/en/support-virus-lab?threat=trojan.osx.rustagent
Post by David
Sorry, there are no results matching your search criteria. Please try
again.
What an interesting observation, Mike. I wonder if you are suggesting
that the ClamXAV result was a 'false positive' - maybe generated to make
the product user think that ClamXAV is doing a useful job.
It will be interesting to learn what, if anything, Mark Allan has to say.
Where is the malware? The path is cut off. Looks like something you got in
email...
The malware has been binned! :-D
Which "path" was "cut off"?
One in a previous image that showed the Thunderbird folder in your library, I
believe.
Please - forgive me - please /show/ me what you mean.
I would have to see the screenshot again. I just dug back a few posts and do
not see the URL. Do you have it?
I've changed the way that things look in this screenshot:-
https://i.ibb.co/RGQJ9vX7/Screenshot-2025-02-12-at-18-42-12.png
Is this what you meant?
Yes... and my suspicion was correct. Mail attachments.
Agreed.
All gone now! :-)
Good!
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2025-02-13 17:30:53 UTC
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I've changed the way that things look in this screenshot:-
https://i.ibb.co/RGQJ9vX7/Screenshot-2025-02-12-at-18-42-12.png
I don't know if the Moz advice applies in the same way to the Tb trash
as it does to 'general' AV scanning of mail, but the old Moz kb
knowledgebase recommends *against* AV scanning of mail.


https://kb.mozillazine.org/Antivirus_software
Post by David
Many experts recommend turning off email scanning in antivirus
software since it provides no added protection and corrupts and
destructs email folders much more often than viruses and other
malware do. It also eats up CPU power, slows down sending and
receiving, and causes many problems such as time-outs and changes in
account settings. To be safe it's enough to make sure your antivirus
software is monitoring your whole computer, in other words make sure
that it provides real-time protection (also called "background
guard" etc.) and that this is turned on.
In this example, part of the problem is the way Tb handles its 'stores'
or directories which it compresses ('compacts'). So some 'stuff' is in a
state of being 'cached' only, while other stuff has been compacted to
storage, and the AV agent doesn't handle the 'confused' state of the Tb
files properly and so there is a tendency to 'tear things up' in the
process of the AV agent 'getting rid of' something it finds.

Then, when Tb tries to get its stores in order, it finds disruption and
trouble.
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2025-02-12 18:34:08 UTC
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I downloaded, installed and did a deep scan with Avira (free)
It found and quarantined six items. I have deleted then and emptied
the trash Bin!
*EXACTLY* what name did Avira give the 'threat'.
Here's a screenshot giving names:-
https://i.ibb.co/rfKPp9ST/Screenshot-2025-02-12-at-08-57-44.png
For someone who would like to imagine himself an 'investigator' you
certainly do a very poor job of learning anything useful from your own
personal experiences w/ alleged malware.
Post by David
Post by Mike Easter
Unlike ClamXAV, Avira DOES have a 'virus' (or whatever malware)
database, and a search on the exact name you posted for clamxav's find
does NOT appear in the Avira db.
https://www.avira.com/en/support-virus-lab?threat=trojan.osx.rustagent
Post by David
 Sorry, there are no results matching your search criteria. Please
try again.
What an interesting observation, Mike. I wonder if you are suggesting
that the ClamXAV result was a 'false positive' - maybe generated to make
the product user think that ClamXAV is doing a useful job.
What I'm suggesting is that if you would learn *ANYTHING* from this
particular experience it should be:

What, if anything, does the ClamXAV findings have to do w/ the Avira
findings?

How is it that Avira claims to find malware in items you have *CHOSEN*
to download and read? From whence are you 'fetching' your chosen stuff?
In particular these items?
Post by David
It will be interesting to learn what, if anything, Mark Allan has to say.
You look at the world thru' strangely tinted glasses.
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David
2025-02-12 23:48:26 UTC
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I downloaded, installed and did a deep scan with Avira (free)
It found and quarantined six items. I have deleted then and emptied
the trash Bin!
*EXACTLY* what name did Avira give the 'threat'.
Here's a screenshot giving names:-
https://i.ibb.co/rfKPp9ST/Screenshot-2025-02-12-at-08-57-44.png
For someone who would like to imagine himself an 'investigator' you
certainly do a very poor job of learning anything useful from your own
personal experiences w/ alleged malware.
Post by David
Post by Mike Easter
Unlike ClamXAV, Avira DOES have a 'virus' (or whatever malware)
database, and a search on the exact name you posted for clamxav's
find does NOT appear in the Avira db.
https://www.avira.com/en/support-virus-lab?threat=trojan.osx.rustagent
Post by David
 Sorry, there are no results matching your search criteria. Please
try again.
What an interesting observation, Mike. I wonder if you are suggesting
that the ClamXAV result was a 'false positive' - maybe generated to make
the product user think that ClamXAV is doing a useful job.
What I'm suggesting is that if you would learn *ANYTHING* from this
What, if anything, does the ClamXAV findings have to do w/ the Avira
findings?
I'm aware that running more than one AV can confuse matters.
Post by Mike Easter
How is it that Avira claims to find malware in items you have *CHOSEN*
to download and read?  From whence are you 'fetching' your chosen stuff?
 In particular these items?
I look in SPAM emails sometimes.
Post by Mike Easter
Post by David
It will be interesting to learn what, if anything, Mark Allan has to say.
You look at the world thru' strangely tinted glasses.
Even though I have paid for and am using ClamXAV, Mark Allan chooses not
to respond to me. According to the gurus on the ASC forums, ClamXAV is a
waste of space as far as Apple malware is concerned.

I once claimed that it is "snake oil" and IIRC, you disagreed. Remember?
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2025-02-13 00:08:18 UTC
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I look in SPAM emails sometimes.
That is very stupid. Back when I was much more involved in 'spam
fighting' in alt.spam and the spamcop forums and was handling and
parsing a LOT of spam for source from the headers and commiserating w/
Julian Haight the dev of spamcop's header parsing algo/s my advice to
'the public' was to put their energy into keeping spam out of their
inbox and to never never even *OPEN* a spam, much less read it
'receptively' -- as many imagined that spam-reading was entertaining/fun.
Post by David
Post by Mike Easter
Post by David
It will be interesting to learn what, if anything, Mark Allan has to say.
You look at the world thru' strangely tinted glasses.
Even though I have paid for and am using ClamXAV, Mark Allan chooses not
to respond to me. According to the gurus on the ASC forums, ClamXAV is a
waste of space as far as Apple malware is concerned.
And again, your alleged 'beliefs' about clamxav are counter to your
actual *behavior* as an ordinary vanilla clamxav user, in addition to
paradoxically acting adversely toward MA and his dev/s.
Post by David
I once claimed that it is "snake oil" and IIRC, you disagreed. Remember?
That is correct; I disagree that it is snake-oil. MA & his staff are
/honestly/ dev/ing an agent which is intentionally designed to be a Mac
anti-malware agent. It is not 'bogus' or fraudulent; it does do what it
is purported to do. Snake oil is bogus and fraudulent and does not do
what it is purported to do.

The fact that a Mac person can do OK w/ good behaviors and the Mac's own
resources does not mean that additional 3rd party tools for various
purposes are not useful.

Clearly you yourself think that it is wiser to use 'first one 3rd party
agent and then another' rather than be entirely dependent on a
combination of your reckless behaviors and the Mac's own safety systems,
ie first and regularly you were using clamxav and then upon alerting yet
another 3rd party AV.
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David
2025-02-13 08:04:16 UTC
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I look in SPAM emails sometimes.
That is very stupid.  Back when I was much more involved in 'spam
fighting' in alt.spam and the spamcop forums and was handling and
parsing a LOT of spam for source from the headers and commiserating w/
Julian Haight the dev of spamcop's header parsing algo/s my advice to
'the public' was to put their energy into keeping spam out of their
inbox and to never never even *OPEN* a spam, much less read it
'receptively' -- as many imagined that spam-reading was entertaining/fun.
I'm one of those folk who HAVE found some spam entertaining!
Post by David
Post by Mike Easter
Post by David
It will be interesting to learn what, if anything, Mark Allan has to say.
You look at the world thru' strangely tinted glasses.
Even though I have paid for and am using ClamXAV, Mark Allan chooses not
to respond to me. According to the gurus on the ASC forums, ClamXAV is a
waste of space as far as Apple malware is concerned.
And again, your alleged 'beliefs' about clamxav are counter to your
actual *behavior* as an ordinary vanilla clamxav user, in addition to
paradoxically acting adversely toward MA and his dev/s.
I don't agree.
Post by David
I once claimed that it is "snake oil" and IIRC, you disagreed. Remember?
That is correct; I disagree that it is snake-oil.  MA & his staff are /
honestly/ dev/ing an agent which is intentionally designed to be a Mac
anti-malware agent.  It is not 'bogus' or fraudulent; it does do what it
is purported to do.  Snake oil is bogus and fraudulent and does not do
what it is purported to do.
Thank you for clarifying.
The fact that a Mac person can do OK w/ good behaviors and the Mac's own
resources does not mean that additional 3rd party tools for various
purposes are not useful.
Clearly you yourself think that it is wiser to use 'first one 3rd party
agent and then another' rather than be entirely dependent on a
combination of your reckless behaviors and the Mac's own safety systems,
ie first and regularly you were using clamxav and then upon alerting yet
another 3rd party AV.
One can't be too careful, Mike! ;-)
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Here's a screenshot giving names:-
https://i.ibb.co/rfKPp9ST/Screenshot-2025-02-12-at-08-57-44.png
BTW, this business about how 'powerful' a /rogue/ (or rather hacked)
.pdf can be has been expanded upon by some linux enthusiasts hackers,
not blackhats, who have managed to 'invent' a linux OS which can run
inside a .pdf.

There are a lot of different articles about this story; I picked the
hackaday one to paste.

https://hackaday.com/2025/02/10/nice-pdf-but-can-it-run-linux-yikes/
Post by David
Nice PDF, But Can It Run Linux? Yikes!
Also BTW the author of the article is a cute Dutch geek chick who does a
lot of stuff besides write geeky linux article for hackaday; she sings
and is otherwise 'arty' :-)
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T i m
2025-02-12 11:47:08 UTC
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On 11/02/2025 23:16, Mike Easter wrote:

<snip all DB BS>
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So, now we are out of previous AI 'winter' and into fuller bloom and a
lot of hype.  It isn't 'magic' anymore than the myths of antiquity.
I am looking to DIY a temperature sensor that goes with my Victron range
of off-grid kit.

I can buy one but they are quite expensive for_what_they_are which is a
battery connection lug, a couple of wires, a small in-line fuse holder
and a 150K NTC (Negative Temperature Coefficient).

https://www.12voltplanet.co.uk/victron-energy-temperature-sensor-battery-monitors-bmv-smartshunt-vebus-smart-dongle.html

To check the likelihood that the only 'active' component was the NTC and
they are also cheap, I downloaded the datasheet and checked the
resistance values against temperature for the temperature range an
off-grid battery might experience in a UK outbuilding or campervan and
asked ChatGPT to plot a graph for me:

https://ibb.co/PJZKFYH

We went though several iterations with it fully understanding my request
at every stage (like plotting the X-axis logarithmically).

The device this will be connected to is a Victron SmartShunt ...

https://www.victronenergy.com/upload/documents/Datasheet-SmartShunt-EN.pdf

... that has two large terminals to carry the battery current (up to
500A on this model) and two small connections where 1) is for the
Battery +Ve (up to 48V) and 2) an 'Aux' terminal that can be used to
monitor:

a) A second battery voltage (like a starter battery)
b) The mid-point on a multi cell battery (12V on a 24V battery)
c) Temperature, with their (expensive) probe that doubles as the +Ve
battery connection.

So, as a test I got a 330K resistor and connected it between terminals 1
and 2 and set the role of the 'Aux' port to that of Temperature over BT
and it then displayed on the BT connected app a temperature of 9 DegC,
about right.

So, I'm going to create a small sub-loom that can pick up the battery
+Ve from the existing feed and then go though the NTC and back to the
Aux, meaning I can actually attach the NTC on the side of the battery,
rather than it being bolted to the +Ve battery terminal where the
temperature could be impacted (all be it only slightly) by the current draw.

The SmartShunt is connected via it's data port to a Raspberry Pi running
Venus.OS, along with the connection from my Victron charger and inverter
(and will add solar controller when the sun comes out again) and can
show the status each on the TFT touchscreen on the RPi, or on a
PC/Browser, or their PC app (locally), via a dedicated (kiosk mode)
tablet or remotely via their web based portal. Handy if you have the
system set up on a boat / van / shed you are away from but want to keep
an eye on.

You can also connect a cheap USB GPS to the RPi and see where the system
is (not so useful on a solar shed).

Cheers, T i m
Mike Easter
2025-02-12 18:53:46 UTC
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https://ibb.co/PJZKFYH
We went though several iterations with it fully understanding my
request at every stage (like plotting the X-axis logarithmically).
Not 'exactly' logarithmically, per se, some log derivative.

I was wondering why the x-axis value/scale was variable.
Post by T i m
The SmartShunt is connected via it's data port to a Raspberry Pi
running Venus.OS, along with the connection from my Victron charger
and inverter (and will add solar controller when the sun comes out
again) and can show the status each on the TFT touchscreen on the
RPi, or on a PC/Browser, or their PC app (locally), via a dedicated
(kiosk mode) tablet or remotely via their web based portal. Handy if
you have the system set up on a boat / van / shed you are away from
but want to keep an eye on.
Ha; I like the RPi instead of a BT'd phone I see at their site.

I didn't know about Venus OS; smart idea to go open source:

https://github.com/victronenergy/venus/wiki
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2025-02-12 22:52:48 UTC
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https://ibb.co/PJZKFYH
We went though several iterations with it fully understanding my
request at every stage (like plotting the X-axis logarithmically).
Not 'exactly' logarithmically, per se, some log derivative.
Possibly.
Post by Mike Easter
I was wondering why the x-axis value/scale was variable.
Because the datasheet only shows the temperatures at 5 DegC intervals
and the resultant resistance is what it is (other than at 25 DegC where
that seems to be where they set the point that defines the value of the NTC.
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The SmartShunt is connected via it's data port to a Raspberry Pi
running Venus.OS, along with the connection from my Victron charger
and inverter (and will add solar controller when the sun comes out
again) and can show the status each on the TFT touchscreen on the
RPi, or on a PC/Browser, or their PC app (locally), via a dedicated
(kiosk mode) tablet or remotely via their web based portal. Handy if
you have the system set up on a boat / van / shed you are away from
but want to keep an eye on.
Ha; I like the RPi instead of a BT'd phone I see at their site.
I think they overlap each other. You can initially configure most of the
units with the VictronConnect app over BT and then / also talk to the
units over VE.Direct (a RS232 / TTL interface) (where the RPi becomes a
data coordinator) and / or the devices can talk to each other over
VE.Smart (a BT network). That means a charger could sync it's displayed
voltage / SoC with the SmartShunt, overcoming any voltage drop doe to
cable resistance.
It's all actually very swish and seems to be pretty reliable.

You can do cool things like download some later firmware (on the RPi)
and then switch between then nearly instantly (with a reboot etc).

Loads of official addons plus loads of community options, like being
able to remotely start / stop the generator and display tank levels.

And not only the RPi / Venus OS but the Kiosk mode tablet display.

https://community.victronenergy.com/t/new-use-an-android-tablet-as-dedicated-gx-wi-fi-display-beta/8575/164

Reset the tablet to factory settings, tap on the 'EWelcome splash 6-7
times quickly and it opens up a QR code scanner. Scan the QR and sit
back. It asks you for your WiFi credentials then scans the networks for
compatible devices and you tap on them to connect.

Given they seem happy to do themselves out of ~500 pounds with the RPi /
tablet display (over the Cerbo GX and GX Touch 50/70) I didn't think
they would mind my DIY'ing the temperature sensor.

Cheers, T i m
T i m
2025-02-13 09:54:51 UTC
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On 12/02/2025 22:52, T i m wrote:

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I forgot to add that because there is a Victron Integration in Home
Assistant you can monitor / log / add to what the Victron stuff can do
itself (charge voltage thresholds and alarms and relays etc) and make it
even more intelligent.

Like, with a smart switch on the charger you could monitor the SoC of
the battery and if there was insufficient solar that day and the battery
getting low, drop the charger in and back out again once the battery is
'safe' then bring the charger in properly during your Economy7 period.

The HA server (an Odroid N2+) only draws about 2W and a smart switch .6W
idle and 1.6W active.

Cheers, T i m
Brock McNuggets
2025-02-12 00:29:34 UTC
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Post by Mike Easter
Your comments, please?
I wasn't going to reply to this because you are on probation, but I will
comment and also have some more words to say about my generic
recommendations about filtering, as my earlier remark was 'out of
character' re my recommendations, particularly about 'broadcasting'.
OK :-)
Post by Mike Easter
One problem w/ taking AI/chatgpt too 'seriously' as if it should be
assumed to be (relatively) correct is that if it doesn't have any really
useful 'evidence' for something, it is liable to lead you astray.
It seems pretty accurate to me!
Post by Mike Easter
The 'hard' term "trojan.osx.rustagent" where hard implies searching on
the exact term w/ a general search engine such as google's (discounting
No result found for trojan.osx.rustagent
Here?
https://www.darkreading.com/threat-intelligence/macos-targeted-by-new-backdoor-linked-to-alphv-ransomware
Post by Mike Easter
Further, unlike some more prominent AV agents, clamxav does not have a
reference database to say exactly what it 'means' when it gives that report.
I agree that's not good. :-(
Post by Mike Easter
And even further; I'm surprised you are actually *USING* clamxav after
all of the negative things you have had to say about both its dev as
well as the 'necessity' or non-necessity of mac users using 3rd party AVs.
All part and parcel of my investigative process.
Did you see this from today's posts?
https://i.ibb.co/tp51skhP/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-18-35-01.png
Post by Mike Easter
Now back to my 'don't broadcast (specific) filters' because that is 'not
nice' or rude, but DO...
Have a philosophy about filtering, such as levels of ignoring: mentally
ignore w/ no algo, mark as read as a mentally ignore aid, harsh algo
making all of a type of msg completely disappear (and be relatively
inaccessible).
I don't block anyone
Have you ever gone to a block party?
Post by David
Post by Mike Easter
Mentally ignoring is an essential 'aid' to filtering; one should be able
to 'see' something and ignore it, ie not respond 'unproductively'.
Some people can NOT see something annoying and ignore it; and so they
respond to the annoying msg in an even more annoying way. That has been
the way between SC & Snit to the point that for my convenience I made
both of them disappear. Such harsh filters should be 'reconsidered' from
time to time, because invisibility is hard for 'someone' to overcome.
By marking a message as read is an aid to mentally prompt one to be
'extra-ignoring' from a mental perspective. Those are the msg/s which
are more likely to be responded 'negatively' or 'unpleasantly' and one
should try to minimize one's own msg/s from that feature/character.
I do my best to ignore peecent (%) - 'cause he's a native American and
not too bright!
What does being a Native American have to do with anything?
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