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Apd
2024-10-21 11:52:39 UTC
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ACW is subjected to "rough music"[1] from political trolls and
ne'er-do-wells:

<https://ibb.co/rkKpNPq>

[1] noise.
David Brooks
2024-10-21 12:08:54 UTC
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ACW is subjected to "rough music"[1] from political trolls and
<https://ibb.co/rkKpNPq>
[1] noise.
A better link:- Loading Image...

Charivari is the original French word, and in Canada it is used by both
Anglophones and Francophones. Chivaree became the common variant in
Ontario, Canada. In the United States, the term shivaree is more common

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Good job, Ant! 🙂 Well done!
Apd
2024-10-21 13:13:33 UTC
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A better link:- https://i.ibb.co/p26K5DN/charivari.jpg
Yes, but some people get prompted for a download.
Post by David Brooks
Charivari is the original French word, and in Canada it is used by both
Anglophones and Francophones. Chivaree became the common variant in
Ontario, Canada. In the United States, the term shivaree is more common
I rather like the German word "Katzenmusik", cat music or caterwauling.
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Good job, Ant! Well done!
I thang yew.
kazu
2024-10-21 14:31:10 UTC
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A better link:- https://i.ibb.co/p26K5DN/charivari.jpg
Yes, but some people get prompted for a download.
That hardly matters ..... does it?!!
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Post by David Brooks
Charivari is the original French word, and in Canada it is
used by both
Anglophones and Francophones. Chivaree became the common
variant in
Ontario, Canada. In the United States, the term shivaree is
more common
I rather like the German word "Katzenmusik", cat music or
caterwauling.
I like ..... C A T E R W A U L I N G  🙂  (But it's not quite the
same meaning!)
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Post by David Brooks
Good job, Ant!   Well done!
I thang yew.
Je vous en prie!
i can also speak french (not)
Apd
2024-10-21 15:39:18 UTC
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A better link:- https://i.ibb.co/p26K5DN/charivari.jpg
Yes, but some people get prompted for a download.
That hardly matters ..... does it?!!
Better ask them.
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Post by David Brooks
Charivari is the original French word, and in Canada it is used by both
Anglophones and Francophones. Chivaree became the common variant in
Ontario, Canada. In the United States, the term shivaree is more common
I rather like the German word "Katzenmusik", cat music or caterwauling.
I like ..... C A T E R W A U L I N G
What's with the spelling out?
(But it's not quite the same meaning!)
As what?

katzen = cats
musik = music

Noun: die Katzenmusik = caterwauling, din, racket.

From the French charivari page:
"et connaît des pendants dans de nombreuses autres sociétés, avec
notamment la rough music chez les gens anglais, la Katzenmusik et le
Haberfeldtreiben chez les gens allemands".

Translation:
"and has counterparts in many other societies, including rough music
among the English people, Katzenmusik and Haberfeldtreiben among the
German people".

It's in the name of the original drawing:
<Loading Image...>
FromTheRafters
2024-10-21 12:10:12 UTC
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ACW is subjected to "rough music"[1] from political trolls and
<https://ibb.co/rkKpNPq>
[1] noise.
https://daily.jstor.org/ye-olde-morality-enforcement-brigades/

It sounds almost like the 'social credit' system, but without
authority.
David Brooks
2024-10-21 13:08:01 UTC
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the 'social credit' system
I asked ChatGPT about that. Here's the answer:-


The "social credit" system is a government-run system primarily
associated with China, where it is being developed and tested on a large
scale. The system aims to assign a "social credit score" to individuals
and businesses based on their behavior, actions, and compliance with
laws or social norms. This score can then be used to reward or penalize
individuals in various aspects of life, such as access to services,
employment, or even travel.

### Key Aspects:
1. **Data Collection**: The system collects data from various sources,
including social media activity, financial transactions, legal records,
public behavior (like jaywalking or paying bills on time), and more.

2. **Scoring Mechanism**: Based on the data collected, individuals or
organizations are given a score. Positive behaviors (like volunteer work
or adhering to the law) can raise one's score, while negative behaviors
(like spreading misinformation or failing to repay debts) can lower it.

3. **Rewards and Penalties**:
- **High Scores**: People with high scores may receive benefits like
faster access to government services, better credit terms, or priority
for jobs.
- **Low Scores**: Low scores can result in penalties such as travel
bans, restricted access to certain services, lower social status, or
even limitations on children's education opportunities.

4. **Implementation**: The system is still evolving, and pilot programs
have been implemented in different cities across China, often with
varying rules and criteria. However, there is no single, nationwide
system in place as of now. The goal of the government is to promote
trustworthy behavior and reduce activities that undermine social harmony.

### Criticisms:
- **Surveillance Concerns**: Critics argue that the system encourages
mass surveillance and infringes on personal privacy.
- **Control**: There are fears that the system could be used to enforce
political loyalty or punish dissent.
- **Unclear Standards**: Critics also highlight that the standards for
what is considered "good" or "bad" behavior can be arbitrary, and the
lack of transparency in how scores are calculated is a concern.

The concept is reminiscent of credit scoring in financial systems but
extends it to nearly all aspects of life, making it a form of social
governance.
Apd
2024-10-21 13:15:55 UTC
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https://daily.jstor.org/ye-olde-morality-enforcement-brigades/
It sounds almost like the 'social credit' system, but without authority.
Or vigilantism. In ACW's case, it's simply an invasion of noise makers
where we have our own amplification system sometimes referred to as
HWSNBN.

Apropos of the article title, Did you know "Ye" is pronounced "the"
not "yee"? The 'Y' is really a thorn character ("th") but some ancient
printers didn't have one so they used the nearest match, a 'Y'.
FromTheRafters
2024-10-21 15:34:49 UTC
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https://daily.jstor.org/ye-olde-morality-enforcement-brigades/
It sounds almost like the 'social credit' system, but without authority.
Or vigilantism. In ACW's case, it's simply an invasion of noise makers
where we have our own amplification system sometimes referred to as
HWSNBN.
Apropos of the article title, Did you know "Ye" is pronounced "the"
not "yee"? The 'Y' is really a thorn character ("th") but some ancient
printers didn't have one so they used the nearest match, a 'Y'.
I didn't know that, but thanks for mentioning it because my sister and
I like word origin things, and this is related.

I watched a math oriented program the other day which mentioned the
counting boards used in ancient times and said the person manipulating
the board was called a 'banco' and if they got caught cheating the
local authority would break the board 'rupta' giving us the word
bankrupt. You can't believe everything you see, but that seemed
plausible.
Apd
2024-10-21 16:40:31 UTC
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Apropos of the article title, Did you know "Ye" is pronounced "the"
not "yee"? The 'Y' is really a thorn character ("th") but some ancient
printers didn't have one so they used the nearest match, a 'Y'.
I didn't know that, but thanks for mentioning it because my sister and I
like word origin things, and this is related.
Thorn is in the extended ASCII for ISO 8859-1 as a capital - Þ, and
lower - þ. Those don't look much like a Y or y in modern typography.
I watched a math oriented program the other day which mentioned the
counting boards used in ancient times and said the person manipulating the
board was called a 'banco' and if they got caught cheating the local
authority would break the board 'rupta' giving us the word bankrupt. You
can't believe everything you see, but that seemed plausible.
And I didn't know that. It's interesting that the Romans had no
numeral for zero in their system.
Steve Carroll
2024-10-21 15:44:14 UTC
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https://daily.jstor.org/ye-olde-morality-enforcement-brigades/
It sounds almost like the 'social credit' system, but without authority.
Or vigilantism. In ACW's case, it's simply an invasion of noise makers
where we have our own amplification system sometimes referred to as
HWSNBN.
Undoubtedly tube based... improperly biased by bullsh*t and then reamped
with so much distortion applied that the original signal is lost (which
is the goal).

A rather fitting (analogous) line from a nice article on reamping:

"Once viewed as a ‘secret weapon’ of savvy producers and mixing
engineers, Reamping has exploded in popularity due to the flexibility
that it offers."

The "flexibility"... of reality.
Post by Apd
Apropos of the article title, Did you know "Ye" is pronounced "the"
not "yee"? The 'Y' is really a thorn character ("th") but some ancient
printers didn't have one so they used the nearest match, a 'Y'.
(wondering if ME knew that)
Gremlin
2024-10-24 03:02:55 UTC
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https://daily.jstor.org/ye-olde-morality-enforcement-brigades/
It sounds almost like the 'social credit' system, but without authority.
Or vigilantism. In ACW's case, it's simply an invasion of noise makers
where we have our own amplification system sometimes referred to as
HWSNBN.
Undoubtedly tube based... improperly biased by bullsh*t and then reamped
with so much distortion applied that the original signal is lost (which
is the goal).
I see what you did there. :)
Post by Steve Carroll
"Once viewed as a "secret weapon" of savvy producers and mixing
engineers, Reamping has exploded in popularity due to the flexibility
that it offers."
The "flexibility"... of reality.
Ayep
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Post by Apd
Apropos of the article title, Did you know "Ye" is pronounced "the"
not "yee"? The 'Y' is really a thorn character ("th") but some ancient
printers didn't have one so they used the nearest match, a 'Y'.
(wondering if ME knew that)
He's a walking encyclopedia of sometimes interesting information. It
wouldn't surprise me in the least to learn he did infact know such a thing.
I did not. :)
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Snit
2024-10-24 03:11:47 UTC
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https://daily.jstor.org/ye-olde-morality-enforcement-brigades/
It sounds almost like the 'social credit' system, but without authority.
Or vigilantism. In ACW's case, it's simply an invasion of noise makers
where we have our own amplification system sometimes referred to as
HWSNBN.
Undoubtedly tube based... improperly biased by bullsh*t and then reamped
with so much distortion applied that the original signal is lost (which
is the goal).
I see what you did there. :)
Post by Steve Carroll
"Once viewed as a "secret weapon" of savvy producers and mixing
engineers, Reamping has exploded in popularity due to the flexibility
that it offers."
The "flexibility"... of reality.
Ayep
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Post by Apd
Apropos of the article title, Did you know "Ye" is pronounced "the"
not "yee"? The 'Y' is really a thorn character ("th") but some ancient
printers didn't have one so they used the nearest match, a 'Y'.
(wondering if ME knew that)
He's a walking encyclopedia of sometimes interesting information. It
wouldn't surprise me in the least to learn he did infact know such a thing.
I did not. :)
Do you know of the letter Ash?
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2024-10-24 14:40:13 UTC
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Apropos of the article title, Did you know "Ye" is pronounced "the"
not "yee"? The 'Y' is really a thorn character ("th") but some ancient
printers didn't have one so they used the nearest match, a 'Y'.
(wondering if ME knew that)
He's a walking encyclopedia of sometimes interesting information. It
wouldn't surprise me in the least to learn he did infact know such a thing.
I did not. :)
I didn't, either.
pothead
2024-10-24 16:29:02 UTC
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Apropos of the article title, Did you know "Ye" is pronounced "the"
not "yee"? The 'Y' is really a thorn character ("th") but some ancient
printers didn't have one so they used the nearest match, a 'Y'.
(wondering if ME knew that)
He's a walking encyclopedia of sometimes interesting information. It
wouldn't surprise me in the least to learn he did infact know such a thing.
I did not. :)
I didn't, either.
Add me to the list .
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pothead

See Kamala Harris best interview ever.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6363352689112
She really knocks this one out of the park.
Don't you agree?
Snit
2024-10-24 16:37:36 UTC
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Apropos of the article title, Did you know "Ye" is pronounced "the"
not "yee"? The 'Y' is really a thorn character ("th") but some ancient
printers didn't have one so they used the nearest match, a 'Y'.
(wondering if ME knew that)
He's a walking encyclopedia of sometimes interesting information. It
wouldn't surprise me in the least to learn he did infact know such a thing.
I did not. :)
I didn't, either.
Add me to the list .
I ran into this years ago -- I think when doing research for D&D or something.
Looked now to see if I could find that:

https://www.enworld.org/threads/d-d-pronunciation-guide.661505/

Not the place I first found it... or at least that does not look familiar.
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2024-10-21 16:43:59 UTC
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https://daily.jstor.org/ye-olde-morality-enforcement-brigades/
It sounds almost like the 'social credit' system, but without authority.
Or vigilantism. In ACW's case, it's simply an invasion of noise makers
where we have our own amplification system sometimes referred to as
HWSNBN.
Apropos of the article title, Did you know "Ye" is pronounced "the"
not "yee"? The 'Y' is really a thorn character ("th") but some ancient
printers didn't have one so they used the nearest match, a 'Y'.
Yes... I have run into that thorny information before.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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