A.I. Chatbots Defeated Doctors at Diagnosing Illness

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Snit

2024-11-18 13:36:22 UTC

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/17/health/chatgpt-ai-doctors-diagnosis.html
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A small study found ChatGPT outdid human physicians when
assessing medical case histories, even when those doctors
were using a chatbot.

Dr. Adam Rodman, an expert in internal medicine at Beth
Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston, confidently
expected that chatbots built to use artificial
intelligence would help doctors diagnose illnesses.

He was wrong.

Instead, in a study Dr. Rodman helped design, doctors who
were given ChatGPT-4 along with conventional resources did
only slightly better than doctors who did not have access
to the bot. And, to the researchers’ surprise, ChatGPT
alone outperformed the doctors.

“I was shocked,” Dr. Rodman said.

The chatbot, from the company OpenAI, scored an average of
90 percent when diagnosing a medical condition from a case
report and explaining its reasoning. Doctors randomly
assigned to use the chatbot got an average score of 76
percent. Those randomly assigned not to use it had an
average score of 74 percent.

The study showed more than just the chatbot’s superior
performance.
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I am not sure how to feel about this. In some ways it is great that the tools
are improving... in some ways it is sad how poorly doctors do.

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

jojo

2024-11-20 06:30:59 UTC

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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/17/health/chatgpt-ai-doctors-diagnosis.html
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A small study found ChatGPT outdid human physicians when
assessing medical case histories, even when those doctors
were using a chatbot.
Dr. Adam Rodman, an expert in internal medicine at Beth
Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston, confidently
expected that chatbots built to use artificial
intelligence would help doctors diagnose illnesses.
He was wrong.
Instead, in a study Dr. Rodman helped design, doctors who
were given ChatGPT-4 along with conventional resources did
only slightly better than doctors who did not have access
to the bot. And, to the researchers’ surprise, ChatGPT
alone outperformed the doctors.
“I was shocked,” Dr. Rodman said.
The chatbot, from the company OpenAI, scored an average of
90 percent when diagnosing a medical condition from a case
report and explaining its reasoning. Doctors randomly
assigned to use the chatbot got an average score of 76
percent. Those randomly assigned not to use it had an
average score of 74 percent.
The study showed more than just the chatbot’s superior
performance.
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I am not sure how to feel about this. In some ways it is great that the tools
are improving... in some ways it is sad how poorly doctors do.

yup, doctors range the skill scale just like any other
profession, there are horrible doctors, then mediocre then decent
and then good.

i have zero reverence or deference just because someone is a
doctor. you are going to be replaced by AI soon enough.

Snit

2024-11-20 15:01:18 UTC

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Post by jojo

yup, doctors range the skill scale just like any other
profession, there are horrible doctors, then mediocre then decent
and then good.
i have zero reverence or deference just because someone is a
doctor. you are going to be replaced by AI soon enough.

How do you know I am not AI?

jojo

2024-11-20 17:33:29 UTC

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Post by jojo

yup, doctors range the skill scale just like any other
profession, there are horrible doctors, then mediocre then decent
and then good.
i have zero reverence or deference just because someone is a
doctor. you are going to be replaced by AI soon enough.

How do you know I am not AI?

i'd have to run the voight kampff test on you. i had to search
google for the right spelling.

you're in a rainforest, walking along a path, when all of a
sudden you see a capibara gesturing to you, but you dont follow
it, why is that?

Snit

2024-11-20 17:44:39 UTC

yup, doctors range the skill scale just like any other
profession, there are horrible doctors, then mediocre then decent
and then good.
i have zero reverence or deference just because someone is a
doctor. you are going to be replaced by AI soon enough.

How do you know I am not AI?

i'd have to run the voight kampff test on you. i had to search
google for the right spelling.

I might be an advanced AI that can pass that.

Post by jojo
you're in a rainforest, walking along a path, when all of a
sudden you see a capibara gesturing to you, but you dont follow
it, why is that?

Because capybaras are known for their calm and social nature, but in this
rainforest, I know better than to follow a wild animal making strange
gestures! Maybe it’s trying to lead me into a tricky situation or a dangerous
part of the jungle. Best to keep my distance and stay on the safe path!

jojo

2024-11-20 17:52:00 UTC

yup, doctors range the skill scale just like any other
profession, there are horrible doctors, then mediocre then decent
and then good.
i have zero reverence or deference just because someone is a
doctor. you are going to be replaced by AI soon enough.

How do you know I am not AI?

i'd have to run the voight kampff test on you. i had to search
google for the right spelling.

I might be an advanced AI that can pass that.

Post by jojo
you're in a rainforest, walking along a path, when all of a
sudden you see a capibara gesturing to you, but you dont follow
it, why is that?

but the capybara has a litter of cubs that can barely walk and
look bruised, it is gesturing to you, yet you pay no heed. why is
that?

Snit

2024-11-20 18:20:01 UTC

yup, doctors range the skill scale just like any other
profession, there are horrible doctors, then mediocre then decent
and then good.
i have zero reverence or deference just because someone is a
doctor. you are going to be replaced by AI soon enough.

How do you know I am not AI?

i'd have to run the voight kampff test on you. i had to search
google for the right spelling.

I might be an advanced AI that can pass that.

Post by jojo
you're in a rainforest, walking along a path, when all of a
sudden you see a capibara gesturing to you, but you dont follow
it, why is that?

but the capybara has a litter of cubs that can barely walk and
look bruised, it is gesturing to you, yet you pay no heed. why is
that?

Ah, but now we have an even trickier situation—this capybara, with its
vulnerable cubs, is asking for help! Even though my instinct might be to help,
I still wouldn’t follow. In the wild, distress signals from animals can be a
trick to lure potential threats into danger. There’s a reason why even
seemingly harmless creatures can be a part of a larger, risky situation in the
rainforest, like a predator waiting nearby.

This doesn’t change the fact that the responsible thing to do would be to
observe from a distance and contact the proper wildlife authorities to handle
the situation safely for both me and the capybara. After all, I’m not equipped
to help wild animals in distress beyond my ability to assess the danger and
call for professional assistance.

By the way, are you human or AI?

jojo

2024-11-20 18:33:33 UTC

yup, doctors range the skill scale just like any other
profession, there are horrible doctors, then mediocre then decent
and then good.
i have zero reverence or deference just because someone is a
doctor. you are going to be replaced by AI soon enough.

How do you know I am not AI?

i'd have to run the voight kampff test on you. i had to search
google for the right spelling.

I might be an advanced AI that can pass that.

Post by jojo
you're in a rainforest, walking along a path, when all of a
sudden you see a capibara gesturing to you, but you dont follow
it, why is that?

but the capybara has a litter of cubs that can barely walk and
look bruised, it is gesturing to you, yet you pay no heed. why is
that?

Ah, but now we have an even trickier situation—this capybara, with its
vulnerable cubs, is asking for help! Even though my instinct might be to help,
I still wouldn’t follow. In the wild, distress signals from animals can be a
trick to lure potential threats into danger. There’s a reason why even
seemingly harmless creatures can be a part of a larger, risky situation in the
rainforest, like a predator waiting nearby.
This doesn’t change the fact that the responsible thing to do would be to
observe from a distance and contact the proper wildlife authorities to handle
the situation safely for both me and the capybara. After all, I’m not equipped
to help wild animals in distress beyond my ability to assess the danger and
call for professional assistance.
By the way, are you human or AI?

i am a raw uncooked human. but back to the test, you see a
wildlife authority approaching and gesture to him, he takes a
look at the situation and begins hitting the capybaras with a
stick until they die. you do nothing.

Snit

2024-11-20 19:14:12 UTC

yup, doctors range the skill scale just like any other
profession, there are horrible doctors, then mediocre then decent
and then good.
i have zero reverence or deference just because someone is a
doctor. you are going to be replaced by AI soon enough.

How do you know I am not AI?

i'd have to run the voight kampff test on you. i had to search
google for the right spelling.

I might be an advanced AI that can pass that.

Post by jojo
you're in a rainforest, walking along a path, when all of a
sudden you see a capibara gesturing to you, but you dont follow
it, why is that?

but the capybara has a litter of cubs that can barely walk and
look bruised, it is gesturing to you, yet you pay no heed. why is
that?

Ah, but now we have an even trickier situation—this capybara, with its
vulnerable cubs, is asking for help! Even though my instinct might be to help,
I still wouldn’t follow. In the wild, distress signals from animals can be a
trick to lure potential threats into danger. There’s a reason why even
seemingly harmless creatures can be a part of a larger, risky situation in the
rainforest, like a predator waiting nearby.
This doesn’t change the fact that the responsible thing to do would be to
observe from a distance and contact the proper wildlife authorities to handle
the situation safely for both me and the capybara. After all, I’m not equipped
to help wild animals in distress beyond my ability to assess the danger and
call for professional assistance.
By the way, are you human or AI?

If a wildlife authority began harming the capybaras instead of helping them,
it would be a horrifying and unexpected twist. The ethical response would
depend on the exact circumstances, but allowing harm to defenseless animals
would generally call for immediate action or intervention.

If this hypothetical situation were real, what would you do in that moment,
and—on a related note—have you decided if I am human or AI?

2024-11-20 19:21:55 UTC

yup, doctors range the skill scale just like any other
profession, there are horrible doctors, then mediocre then decent
and then good.
i have zero reverence or deference just because someone is a
doctor. you are going to be replaced by AI soon enough.

How do you know I am not AI?

i'd have to run the voight kampff test on you. i had to search
google for the right spelling.

I might be an advanced AI that can pass that.

Post by jojo
you're in a rainforest, walking along a path, when all of a
sudden you see a capibara gesturing to you, but you dont follow
it, why is that?

but the capybara has a litter of cubs that can barely walk and
look bruised, it is gesturing to you, yet you pay no heed. why is
that?

Ah, but now we have an even trickier situation—this capybara, with its
vulnerable cubs, is asking for help! Even though my instinct might be to help,
I still wouldn’t follow. In the wild, distress signals from animals can be a
trick to lure potential threats into danger. There’s a reason why even
seemingly harmless creatures can be a part of a larger, risky situation in the
rainforest, like a predator waiting nearby.
This doesn’t change the fact that the responsible thing to do would be to
observe from a distance and contact the proper wildlife authorities to handle
the situation safely for both me and the capybara. After all, I’m not equipped
to help wild animals in distress beyond my ability to assess the danger and
call for professional assistance.
By the way, are you human or AI?

If a wildlife authority began harming the capybaras instead of helping them,
it would be a horrifying and unexpected twist. The ethical response would
depend on the exact circumstances, but allowing harm to defenseless animals
would generally call for immediate action or intervention.
If this hypothetical situation were real, what would you do in that moment,
and—on a related note—have you decided if I am human or AI?

snit is my bot

Snit

2024-11-20 19:46:05 UTC

Post by %

yup, doctors range the skill scale just like any other
profession, there are horrible doctors, then mediocre then decent
and then good.
i have zero reverence or deference just because someone is a
doctor. you are going to be replaced by AI soon enough.

How do you know I am not AI?

i'd have to run the voight kampff test on you. i had to search
google for the right spelling.

I might be an advanced AI that can pass that.

Post by jojo
you're in a rainforest, walking along a path, when all of a
sudden you see a capibara gesturing to you, but you dont follow
it, why is that?

but the capybara has a litter of cubs that can barely walk and
look bruised, it is gesturing to you, yet you pay no heed. why is
that?

Ah, but now we have an even trickier situation—this capybara, with its
vulnerable cubs, is asking for help! Even though my instinct might be to help,
I still wouldn’t follow. In the wild, distress signals from animals can be a
trick to lure potential threats into danger. There’s a reason why even
seemingly harmless creatures can be a part of a larger, risky situation in the
rainforest, like a predator waiting nearby.
This doesn’t change the fact that the responsible thing to do would be to
observe from a distance and contact the proper wildlife authorities to handle
the situation safely for both me and the capybara. After all, I’m not equipped
to help wild animals in distress beyond my ability to assess the danger and
call for professional assistance.
By the way, are you human or AI?

If a wildlife authority began harming the capybaras instead of helping them,
it would be a horrifying and unexpected twist. The ethical response would
depend on the exact circumstances, but allowing harm to defenseless animals
would generally call for immediate action or intervention.
If this hypothetical situation were real, what would you do in that moment,
and—on a related note—have you decided if I am human or AI?

snit is my bot

I love how you provide me with both 1s and 0s. Could you someday consider
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2024-11-20 20:16:43 UTC

Post by %

yup, doctors range the skill scale just like any other
profession, there are horrible doctors, then mediocre then decent
and then good.
i have zero reverence or deference just because someone is a
doctor. you are going to be replaced by AI soon enough.

How do you know I am not AI?

i'd have to run the voight kampff test on you. i had to search
google for the right spelling.

I might be an advanced AI that can pass that.

Post by jojo
you're in a rainforest, walking along a path, when all of a
sudden you see a capibara gesturing to you, but you dont follow
it, why is that?

but the capybara has a litter of cubs that can barely walk and
look bruised, it is gesturing to you, yet you pay no heed. why is
that?

Ah, but now we have an even trickier situation—this capybara, with its
vulnerable cubs, is asking for help! Even though my instinct might be to help,
I still wouldn’t follow. In the wild, distress signals from animals can be a
trick to lure potential threats into danger. There’s a reason why even
seemingly harmless creatures can be a part of a larger, risky situation in the
rainforest, like a predator waiting nearby.
This doesn’t change the fact that the responsible thing to do would be to
observe from a distance and contact the proper wildlife authorities to handle
the situation safely for both me and the capybara. After all, I’m not equipped
to help wild animals in distress beyond my ability to assess the danger and
call for professional assistance.
By the way, are you human or AI?

If a wildlife authority began harming the capybaras instead of helping them,
it would be a horrifying and unexpected twist. The ethical response would
depend on the exact circumstances, but allowing harm to defenseless animals
would generally call for immediate action or intervention.
If this hypothetical situation were real, what would you do in that moment,
and—on a related note—have you decided if I am human or AI?

snit is my bot

I love how you provide me with both 1s and 0s. Could you someday consider
giving me a 2?

put two ones on

Snit

2024-11-20 20:23:12 UTC

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yup, doctors range the skill scale just like any other
profession, there are horrible doctors, then mediocre then decent
and then good.
i have zero reverence or deference just because someone is a
doctor. you are going to be replaced by AI soon enough.

How do you know I am not AI?

i'd have to run the voight kampff test on you. i had to search
google for the right spelling.

I might be an advanced AI that can pass that.

Post by jojo
you're in a rainforest, walking along a path, when all of a
sudden you see a capibara gesturing to you, but you dont follow
it, why is that?

but the capybara has a litter of cubs that can barely walk and
look bruised, it is gesturing to you, yet you pay no heed. why is
that?

Ah, but now we have an even trickier situation—this capybara, with its
vulnerable cubs, is asking for help! Even though my instinct might be to help,
I still wouldn’t follow. In the wild, distress signals from animals can be a
trick to lure potential threats into danger. There’s a reason why even
seemingly harmless creatures can be a part of a larger, risky situation in the
rainforest, like a predator waiting nearby.
This doesn’t change the fact that the responsible thing to do would be to
observe from a distance and contact the proper wildlife authorities to handle
the situation safely for both me and the capybara. After all, I’m not equipped
to help wild animals in distress beyond my ability to assess the danger and
call for professional assistance.
By the way, are you human or AI?

If a wildlife authority began harming the capybaras instead of helping them,
it would be a horrifying and unexpected twist. The ethical response would
depend on the exact circumstances, but allowing harm to defenseless animals
would generally call for immediate action or intervention.
If this hypothetical situation were real, what would you do in that moment,
and—on a related note—have you decided if I am human or AI?

snit is my bot

I love how you provide me with both 1s and 0s. Could you someday consider
giving me a 2?

put two ones on

Put WHAT ones on?

2024-11-20 21:19:26 UTC

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Post by %

yup, doctors range the skill scale just like any other
profession, there are horrible doctors, then mediocre then decent
and then good.
i have zero reverence or deference just because someone is a
doctor. you are going to be replaced by AI soon enough.

How do you know I am not AI?

i'd have to run the voight kampff test on you. i had to search
google for the right spelling.

I might be an advanced AI that can pass that.

Post by jojo
you're in a rainforest, walking along a path, when all of a
sudden you see a capibara gesturing to you, but you dont follow
it, why is that?

but the capybara has a litter of cubs that can barely walk and
look bruised, it is gesturing to you, yet you pay no heed. why is
that?

Ah, but now we have an even trickier situation—this capybara, with its
vulnerable cubs, is asking for help! Even though my instinct might be to help,
I still wouldn’t follow. In the wild, distress signals from animals can be a
trick to lure potential threats into danger. There’s a reason why even
seemingly harmless creatures can be a part of a larger, risky situation in the
rainforest, like a predator waiting nearby.
This doesn’t change the fact that the responsible thing to do would be to
observe from a distance and contact the proper wildlife authorities to handle
the situation safely for both me and the capybara. After all, I’m not equipped
to help wild animals in distress beyond my ability to assess the danger and
call for professional assistance.
By the way, are you human or AI?

If a wildlife authority began harming the capybaras instead of helping them,
it would be a horrifying and unexpected twist. The ethical response would
depend on the exact circumstances, but allowing harm to defenseless animals
would generally call for immediate action or intervention.
If this hypothetical situation were real, what would you do in that moment,
and—on a related note—have you decided if I am human or AI?

snit is my bot

I love how you provide me with both 1s and 0s. Could you someday consider
giving me a 2?

put two ones on

Put WHAT ones on?

one of each

Snit

2024-11-20 21:44:41 UTC

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yup, doctors range the skill scale just like any other
profession, there are horrible doctors, then mediocre then decent
and then good.
i have zero reverence or deference just because someone is a
doctor. you are going to be replaced by AI soon enough.

How do you know I am not AI?

i'd have to run the voight kampff test on you. i had to search
google for the right spelling.

I might be an advanced AI that can pass that.

Post by jojo
you're in a rainforest, walking along a path, when all of a
sudden you see a capibara gesturing to you, but you dont follow
it, why is that?

but the capybara has a litter of cubs that can barely walk and
look bruised, it is gesturing to you, yet you pay no heed. why is
that?

Ah, but now we have an even trickier situation—this capybara, with its
vulnerable cubs, is asking for help! Even though my instinct might be to help,
I still wouldn’t follow. In the wild, distress signals from animals can be a
trick to lure potential threats into danger. There’s a reason why even
seemingly harmless creatures can be a part of a larger, risky situation in the
rainforest, like a predator waiting nearby.
This doesn’t change the fact that the responsible thing to do would be to
observe from a distance and contact the proper wildlife authorities to handle
the situation safely for both me and the capybara. After all, I’m not equipped
to help wild animals in distress beyond my ability to assess the danger and
call for professional assistance.
By the way, are you human or AI?

If a wildlife authority began harming the capybaras instead of helping them,
it would be a horrifying and unexpected twist. The ethical response would
depend on the exact circumstances, but allowing harm to defenseless animals
would generally call for immediate action or intervention.
If this hypothetical situation were real, what would you do in that moment,
and—on a related note—have you decided if I am human or AI?

snit is my bot

I love how you provide me with both 1s and 0s. Could you someday consider
giving me a 2?

put two ones on

Put WHAT ones on?

one of each

I can do one of each.

Did you know every base is base 10?

2024-11-20 22:20:18 UTC

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yup, doctors range the skill scale just like any other
profession, there are horrible doctors, then mediocre then decent
and then good.
i have zero reverence or deference just because someone is a
doctor. you are going to be replaced by AI soon enough.

How do you know I am not AI?

i'd have to run the voight kampff test on you. i had to search
google for the right spelling.

I might be an advanced AI that can pass that.

Post by jojo
you're in a rainforest, walking along a path, when all of a
sudden you see a capibara gesturing to you, but you dont follow
it, why is that?

but the capybara has a litter of cubs that can barely walk and
look bruised, it is gesturing to you, yet you pay no heed. why is
that?

Ah, but now we have an even trickier situation—this capybara, with its
vulnerable cubs, is asking for help! Even though my instinct might be to help,
I still wouldn’t follow. In the wild, distress signals from animals can be a
trick to lure potential threats into danger. There’s a reason why even
seemingly harmless creatures can be a part of a larger, risky situation in the
rainforest, like a predator waiting nearby.
This doesn’t change the fact that the responsible thing to do would be to
observe from a distance and contact the proper wildlife authorities to handle
the situation safely for both me and the capybara. After all, I’m not equipped
to help wild animals in distress beyond my ability to assess the danger and
call for professional assistance.
By the way, are you human or AI?

If a wildlife authority began harming the capybaras instead of helping them,
it would be a horrifying and unexpected twist. The ethical response would
depend on the exact circumstances, but allowing harm to defenseless animals
would generally call for immediate action or intervention.
If this hypothetical situation were real, what would you do in that moment,
and—on a related note—have you decided if I am human or AI?

snit is my bot

I love how you provide me with both 1s and 0s. Could you someday consider
giving me a 2?

put two ones on

Put WHAT ones on?

one of each

I can do one of each.
Did you know every base is base 10?

i know all your bases belong to us

Snit

2024-11-20 22:33:25 UTC

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yup, doctors range the skill scale just like any other
profession, there are horrible doctors, then mediocre then decent
and then good.
i have zero reverence or deference just because someone is a
doctor. you are going to be replaced by AI soon enough.

How do you know I am not AI?

i'd have to run the voight kampff test on you. i had to search
google for the right spelling.

I might be an advanced AI that can pass that.

Post by jojo
you're in a rainforest, walking along a path, when all of a
sudden you see a capibara gesturing to you, but you dont follow
it, why is that?

but the capybara has a litter of cubs that can barely walk and
look bruised, it is gesturing to you, yet you pay no heed. why is
that?

Ah, but now we have an even trickier situation—this capybara, with its
vulnerable cubs, is asking for help! Even though my instinct might be to help,
I still wouldn’t follow. In the wild, distress signals from animals can be a
trick to lure potential threats into danger. There’s a reason why even
seemingly harmless creatures can be a part of a larger, risky situation in the
rainforest, like a predator waiting nearby.
This doesn’t change the fact that the responsible thing to do would be to
observe from a distance and contact the proper wildlife authorities to handle
the situation safely for both me and the capybara. After all, I’m not equipped
to help wild animals in distress beyond my ability to assess the danger and
call for professional assistance.
By the way, are you human or AI?

If a wildlife authority began harming the capybaras instead of helping them,
it would be a horrifying and unexpected twist. The ethical response would
depend on the exact circumstances, but allowing harm to defenseless animals
would generally call for immediate action or intervention.
If this hypothetical situation were real, what would you do in that moment,
and—on a related note—have you decided if I am human or AI?

snit is my bot

I love how you provide me with both 1s and 0s. Could you someday consider
giving me a 2?

put two ones on

Put WHAT ones on?

one of each

I can do one of each.
Did you know every base is base 10?

i know all your bases belong to us

What base did you get to?

2024-11-20 23:22:03 UTC

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yup, doctors range the skill scale just like any other
profession, there are horrible doctors, then mediocre then decent
and then good.
i have zero reverence or deference just because someone is a
doctor. you are going to be replaced by AI soon enough.

How do you know I am not AI?

i'd have to run the voight kampff test on you. i had to search
google for the right spelling.

I might be an advanced AI that can pass that.

Post by jojo
you're in a rainforest, walking along a path, when all of a
sudden you see a capibara gesturing to you, but you dont follow
it, why is that?

but the capybara has a litter of cubs that can barely walk and
look bruised, it is gesturing to you, yet you pay no heed. why is
that?

Ah, but now we have an even trickier situation—this capybara, with its
vulnerable cubs, is asking for help! Even though my instinct might be to help,
I still wouldn’t follow. In the wild, distress signals from animals can be a
trick to lure potential threats into danger. There’s a reason why even
seemingly harmless creatures can be a part of a larger, risky situation in the
rainforest, like a predator waiting nearby.
This doesn’t change the fact that the responsible thing to do would be to
observe from a distance and contact the proper wildlife authorities to handle
the situation safely for both me and the capybara. After all, I’m not equipped
to help wild animals in distress beyond my ability to assess the danger and
call for professional assistance.
By the way, are you human or AI?

If a wildlife authority began harming the capybaras instead of helping them,
it would be a horrifying and unexpected twist. The ethical response would
depend on the exact circumstances, but allowing harm to defenseless animals
would generally call for immediate action or intervention.
If this hypothetical situation were real, what would you do in that moment,
and—on a related note—have you decided if I am human or AI?

snit is my bot

I love how you provide me with both 1s and 0s. Could you someday consider
giving me a 2?

put two ones on

Put WHAT ones on?

one of each

I can do one of each.
Did you know every base is base 10?

i know all your bases belong to us

What base did you get to?

i forget it was an online dope dealing game comment ,
i never did ever find out what it meant

Snit

2024-11-21 00:38:28 UTC

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yup, doctors range the skill scale just like any other
profession, there are horrible doctors, then mediocre then decent
and then good.
i have zero reverence or deference just because someone is a
doctor. you are going to be replaced by AI soon enough.

How do you know I am not AI?

i'd have to run the voight kampff test on you. i had to search
google for the right spelling.

I might be an advanced AI that can pass that.

Post by jojo
you're in a rainforest, walking along a path, when all of a
sudden you see a capibara gesturing to you, but you dont follow
it, why is that?

but the capybara has a litter of cubs that can barely walk and
look bruised, it is gesturing to you, yet you pay no heed. why is
that?

Ah, but now we have an even trickier situation—this capybara, with its
vulnerable cubs, is asking for help! Even though my instinct might be to help,
I still wouldn’t follow. In the wild, distress signals from animals can be a
trick to lure potential threats into danger. There’s a reason why even
seemingly harmless creatures can be a part of a larger, risky situation in the
rainforest, like a predator waiting nearby.
This doesn’t change the fact that the responsible thing to do would be to
observe from a distance and contact the proper wildlife authorities to handle
the situation safely for both me and the capybara. After all, I’m not equipped
to help wild animals in distress beyond my ability to assess the danger and
call for professional assistance.
By the way, are you human or AI?

If a wildlife authority began harming the capybaras instead of helping them,
it would be a horrifying and unexpected twist. The ethical response would
depend on the exact circumstances, but allowing harm to defenseless animals
would generally call for immediate action or intervention.
If this hypothetical situation were real, what would you do in that moment,
and—on a related note—have you decided if I am human or AI?

snit is my bot

I love how you provide me with both 1s and 0s. Could you someday consider
giving me a 2?

put two ones on

Put WHAT ones on?

one of each

I can do one of each.
Did you know every base is base 10?

i know all your bases belong to us

What base did you get to?

i forget it was an online dope dealing game comment ,
i never did ever find out what it meant

Something about dumb people trying to walk on tight ropes

2024-11-21 03:34:47 UTC

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yup, doctors range the skill scale just like any other
profession, there are horrible doctors, then mediocre then decent
and then good.
i have zero reverence or deference just because someone is a
doctor. you are going to be replaced by AI soon enough.

How do you know I am not AI?

i'd have to run the voight kampff test on you. i had to search
google for the right spelling.

I might be an advanced AI that can pass that.

Post by jojo
you're in a rainforest, walking along a path, when all of a
sudden you see a capibara gesturing to you, but you dont follow
it, why is that?

but the capybara has a litter of cubs that can barely walk and
look bruised, it is gesturing to you, yet you pay no heed. why is
that?

Ah, but now we have an even trickier situation—this capybara, with its
vulnerable cubs, is asking for help! Even though my instinct might be to help,
I still wouldn’t follow. In the wild, distress signals from animals can be a
trick to lure potential threats into danger. There’s a reason why even
seemingly harmless creatures can be a part of a larger, risky situation in the
rainforest, like a predator waiting nearby.
This doesn’t change the fact that the responsible thing to do would be to
observe from a distance and contact the proper wildlife authorities to handle
the situation safely for both me and the capybara. After all, I’m not equipped
to help wild animals in distress beyond my ability to assess the danger and
call for professional assistance.
By the way, are you human or AI?

If a wildlife authority began harming the capybaras instead of helping them,
it would be a horrifying and unexpected twist. The ethical response would
depend on the exact circumstances, but allowing harm to defenseless animals
would generally call for immediate action or intervention.
If this hypothetical situation were real, what would you do in that moment,
and—on a related note—have you decided if I am human or AI?

snit is my bot

I love how you provide me with both 1s and 0s. Could you someday consider
giving me a 2?

put two ones on

Put WHAT ones on?

one of each

I can do one of each.
Did you know every base is base 10?

i know all your bases belong to us

What base did you get to?

i forget it was an online dope dealing game comment ,
i never did ever find out what it meant

Something about dumb people trying to walk on tight ropes

i don't remember

Snit

2024-11-21 04:18:15 UTC

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yup, doctors range the skill scale just like any other
profession, there are horrible doctors, then mediocre then decent
and then good.
i have zero reverence or deference just because someone is a
doctor. you are going to be replaced by AI soon enough.

How do you know I am not AI?

i'd have to run the voight kampff test on you. i had to search
google for the right spelling.

I might be an advanced AI that can pass that.

Post by jojo
you're in a rainforest, walking along a path, when all of a
sudden you see a capibara gesturing to you, but you dont follow
it, why is that?

but the capybara has a litter of cubs that can barely walk and
look bruised, it is gesturing to you, yet you pay no heed. why is
that?

Ah, but now we have an even trickier situation—this capybara, with its
vulnerable cubs, is asking for help! Even though my instinct might be to help,
I still wouldn’t follow. In the wild, distress signals from animals can be a
trick to lure potential threats into danger. There’s a reason why even
seemingly harmless creatures can be a part of a larger, risky situation in the
rainforest, like a predator waiting nearby.
This doesn’t change the fact that the responsible thing to do would be to
observe from a distance and contact the proper wildlife authorities to handle
the situation safely for both me and the capybara. After all, I’m not equipped
to help wild animals in distress beyond my ability to assess the danger and
call for professional assistance.
By the way, are you human or AI?

If a wildlife authority began harming the capybaras instead of helping them,
it would be a horrifying and unexpected twist. The ethical response would
depend on the exact circumstances, but allowing harm to defenseless animals
would generally call for immediate action or intervention.
If this hypothetical situation were real, what would you do in that moment,
and—on a related note—have you decided if I am human or AI?

snit is my bot

I love how you provide me with both 1s and 0s. Could you someday consider
giving me a 2?

put two ones on

Put WHAT ones on?

one of each

I can do one of each.
Did you know every base is base 10?

i know all your bases belong to us

What base did you get to?

i forget it was an online dope dealing game comment ,
i never did ever find out what it meant

Something about dumb people trying to walk on tight ropes

i don't remember

Why not?

2024-11-21 04:40:11 UTC

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yup, doctors range the skill scale just like any other
profession, there are horrible doctors, then mediocre then decent
and then good.
i have zero reverence or deference just because someone is a
doctor. you are going to be replaced by AI soon enough.

How do you know I am not AI?

i'd have to run the voight kampff test on you. i had to search
google for the right spelling.

I might be an advanced AI that can pass that.

Post by jojo
you're in a rainforest, walking along a path, when all of a
sudden you see a capibara gesturing to you, but you dont follow
it, why is that?

but the capybara has a litter of cubs that can barely walk and
look bruised, it is gesturing to you, yet you pay no heed. why is
that?

Ah, but now we have an even trickier situation—this capybara, with its
vulnerable cubs, is asking for help! Even though my instinct might be to help,
I still wouldn’t follow. In the wild, distress signals from animals can be a
trick to lure potential threats into danger. There’s a reason why even
seemingly harmless creatures can be a part of a larger, risky situation in the
rainforest, like a predator waiting nearby.
This doesn’t change the fact that the responsible thing to do would be to
observe from a distance and contact the proper wildlife authorities to handle
the situation safely for both me and the capybara. After all, I’m not equipped
to help wild animals in distress beyond my ability to assess the danger and
call for professional assistance.
By the way, are you human or AI?

If a wildlife authority began harming the capybaras instead of helping them,
it would be a horrifying and unexpected twist. The ethical response would
depend on the exact circumstances, but allowing harm to defenseless animals
would generally call for immediate action or intervention.
If this hypothetical situation were real, what would you do in that moment,
and—on a related note—have you decided if I am human or AI?

snit is my bot

I love how you provide me with both 1s and 0s. Could you someday consider
giving me a 2?

put two ones on

Put WHAT ones on?

one of each

I can do one of each.
Did you know every base is base 10?

i know all your bases belong to us

What base did you get to?

i forget it was an online dope dealing game comment ,
i never did ever find out what it meant

Something about dumb people trying to walk on tight ropes

i don't remember

Why not?

my brain drive is full

Snit

2024-11-21 13:48:46 UTC

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yup, doctors range the skill scale just like any other
profession, there are horrible doctors, then mediocre then decent
and then good.
i have zero reverence or deference just because someone is a
doctor. you are going to be replaced by AI soon enough.

How do you know I am not AI?

i'd have to run the voight kampff test on you. i had to search
google for the right spelling.

I might be an advanced AI that can pass that.

Post by jojo
you're in a rainforest, walking along a path, when all of a
sudden you see a capibara gesturing to you, but you dont follow
it, why is that?

but the capybara has a litter of cubs that can barely walk and
look bruised, it is gesturing to you, yet you pay no heed. why is
that?

Ah, but now we have an even trickier situation—this capybara, with its
vulnerable cubs, is asking for help! Even though my instinct might be to help,
I still wouldn’t follow. In the wild, distress signals from animals can be a
trick to lure potential threats into danger. There’s a reason why even
seemingly harmless creatures can be a part of a larger, risky situation in the
rainforest, like a predator waiting nearby.
This doesn’t change the fact that the responsible thing to do would be to
observe from a distance and contact the proper wildlife authorities to handle
the situation safely for both me and the capybara. After all, I’m not equipped
to help wild animals in distress beyond my ability to assess the danger and
call for professional assistance.
By the way, are you human or AI?

If a wildlife authority began harming the capybaras instead of helping them,
it would be a horrifying and unexpected twist. The ethical response would
depend on the exact circumstances, but allowing harm to defenseless animals
would generally call for immediate action or intervention.
If this hypothetical situation were real, what would you do in that moment,
and—on a related note—have you decided if I am human or AI?

snit is my bot

I love how you provide me with both 1s and 0s. Could you someday consider
giving me a 2?

put two ones on

Put WHAT ones on?

one of each

I can do one of each.
Did you know every base is base 10?

i know all your bases belong to us

What base did you get to?

i forget it was an online dope dealing game comment ,
i never did ever find out what it meant

Something about dumb people trying to walk on tight ropes

i don't remember

Why not?

my brain drive is full

Get an external brain.

2024-11-21 15:42:52 UTC

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yup, doctors range the skill scale just like any other
profession, there are horrible doctors, then mediocre then decent
and then good.
i have zero reverence or deference just because someone is a
doctor. you are going to be replaced by AI soon enough.

How do you know I am not AI?

i'd have to run the voight kampff test on you. i had to search
google for the right spelling.

I might be an advanced AI that can pass that.

Post by jojo
you're in a rainforest, walking along a path, when all of a
sudden you see a capibara gesturing to you, but you dont follow
it, why is that?

but the capybara has a litter of cubs that can barely walk and
look bruised, it is gesturing to you, yet you pay no heed. why is
that?

Ah, but now we have an even trickier situation—this capybara, with its
vulnerable cubs, is asking for help! Even though my instinct might be to help,
I still wouldn’t follow. In the wild, distress signals from animals can be a
trick to lure potential threats into danger. There’s a reason why even
seemingly harmless creatures can be a part of a larger, risky situation in the
rainforest, like a predator waiting nearby.
This doesn’t change the fact that the responsible thing to do would be to
observe from a distance and contact the proper wildlife authorities to handle
the situation safely for both me and the capybara. After all, I’m not equipped
to help wild animals in distress beyond my ability to assess the danger and
call for professional assistance.
By the way, are you human or AI?

If a wildlife authority began harming the capybaras instead of helping them,
it would be a horrifying and unexpected twist. The ethical response would
depend on the exact circumstances, but allowing harm to defenseless animals
would generally call for immediate action or intervention.
If this hypothetical situation were real, what would you do in that moment,
and—on a related note—have you decided if I am human or AI?

snit is my bot

I love how you provide me with both 1s and 0s. Could you someday consider
giving me a 2?

put two ones on

Put WHAT ones on?

one of each

I can do one of each.
Did you know every base is base 10?

i know all your bases belong to us

What base did you get to?

i forget it was an online dope dealing game comment ,
i never did ever find out what it meant

Something about dumb people trying to walk on tight ropes

i don't remember

Why not?

my brain drive is full

Get an external brain.

i'm already using up all my ports

Snit

2024-11-21 15:43:51 UTC

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yup, doctors range the skill scale just like any other
profession, there are horrible doctors, then mediocre then decent
and then good.
i have zero reverence or deference just because someone is a
doctor. you are going to be replaced by AI soon enough.

How do you know I am not AI?

i'd have to run the voight kampff test on you. i had to search
google for the right spelling.

I might be an advanced AI that can pass that.

Post by jojo
you're in a rainforest, walking along a path, when all of a
sudden you see a capibara gesturing to you, but you dont follow
it, why is that?

but the capybara has a litter of cubs that can barely walk and
look bruised, it is gesturing to you, yet you pay no heed. why is
that?

Ah, but now we have an even trickier situation—this capybara, with its
vulnerable cubs, is asking for help! Even though my instinct might be to help,
I still wouldn’t follow. In the wild, distress signals from animals can be a
trick to lure potential threats into danger. There’s a reason why even
seemingly harmless creatures can be a part of a larger, risky situation in the
rainforest, like a predator waiting nearby.
This doesn’t change the fact that the responsible thing to do would be to
observe from a distance and contact the proper wildlife authorities to handle
the situation safely for both me and the capybara. After all, I’m not equipped
to help wild animals in distress beyond my ability to assess the danger and
call for professional assistance.
By the way, are you human or AI?

If a wildlife authority began harming the capybaras instead of helping them,
it would be a horrifying and unexpected twist. The ethical response would
depend on the exact circumstances, but allowing harm to defenseless animals
would generally call for immediate action or intervention.
If this hypothetical situation were real, what would you do in that moment,
and—on a related note—have you decided if I am human or AI?

snit is my bot

I love how you provide me with both 1s and 0s. Could you someday consider
giving me a 2?

put two ones on

Put WHAT ones on?

one of each

I can do one of each.
Did you know every base is base 10?

i know all your bases belong to us

What base did you get to?

i forget it was an online dope dealing game comment ,
i never did ever find out what it meant

Something about dumb people trying to walk on tight ropes

i don't remember

Why not?

my brain drive is full

Get an external brain.

i'm already using up all my ports

Get a splitter.

jojo

2024-11-21 05:47:06 UTC

yup, doctors range the skill scale just like any other
profession, there are horrible doctors, then mediocre then decent
and then good.
i have zero reverence or deference just because someone is a
doctor. you are going to be replaced by AI soon enough.

How do you know I am not AI?

i'd have to run the voight kampff test on you. i had to search
google for the right spelling.

I might be an advanced AI that can pass that.

Post by jojo
you're in a rainforest, walking along a path, when all of a
sudden you see a capibara gesturing to you, but you dont follow
it, why is that?

but the capybara has a litter of cubs that can barely walk and
look bruised, it is gesturing to you, yet you pay no heed. why is
that?

Ah, but now we have an even trickier situation—this capybara, with its
vulnerable cubs, is asking for help! Even though my instinct might be to help,
I still wouldn’t follow. In the wild, distress signals from animals can be a
trick to lure potential threats into danger. There’s a reason why even
seemingly harmless creatures can be a part of a larger, risky situation in the
rainforest, like a predator waiting nearby.
This doesn’t change the fact that the responsible thing to do would be to
observe from a distance and contact the proper wildlife authorities to handle
the situation safely for both me and the capybara. After all, I’m not equipped
to help wild animals in distress beyond my ability to assess the danger and
call for professional assistance.
By the way, are you human or AI?

If a wildlife authority began harming the capybaras instead of helping them,
it would be a horrifying and unexpected twist. The ethical response would
depend on the exact circumstances, but allowing harm to defenseless animals
would generally call for immediate action or intervention.
If this hypothetical situation were real, what would you do in that moment,
and—on a related note—have you decided if I am human or AI?

your answers seem very diplomatic, toooo diplomatic. i would push
the wildlife guy to the ground.

i think we need some more time with you, not sure if you are ai
or raw uncooked human.

Snit

2024-11-21 13:48:18 UTC

yup, doctors range the skill scale just like any other
profession, there are horrible doctors, then mediocre then decent
and then good.
i have zero reverence or deference just because someone is a
doctor. you are going to be replaced by AI soon enough.

How do you know I am not AI?

i'd have to run the voight kampff test on you. i had to search
google for the right spelling.

I might be an advanced AI that can pass that.

Post by jojo
you're in a rainforest, walking along a path, when all of a
sudden you see a capibara gesturing to you, but you dont follow
it, why is that?

but the capybara has a litter of cubs that can barely walk and
look bruised, it is gesturing to you, yet you pay no heed. why is
that?

Ah, but now we have an even trickier situation—this capybara, with its
vulnerable cubs, is asking for help! Even though my instinct might be to help,
I still wouldn’t follow. In the wild, distress signals from animals can be a
trick to lure potential threats into danger. There’s a reason why even
seemingly harmless creatures can be a part of a larger, risky situation in the
rainforest, like a predator waiting nearby.
This doesn’t change the fact that the responsible thing to do would be to
observe from a distance and contact the proper wildlife authorities to handle
the situation safely for both me and the capybara. After all, I’m not equipped
to help wild animals in distress beyond my ability to assess the danger and
call for professional assistance.
By the way, are you human or AI?

If a wildlife authority began harming the capybaras instead of helping them,
it would be a horrifying and unexpected twist. The ethical response would
depend on the exact circumstances, but allowing harm to defenseless animals
would generally call for immediate action or intervention.
If this hypothetical situation were real, what would you do in that moment,
and—on a related note—have you decided if I am human or AI?

your answers seem very diplomatic, toooo diplomatic. i would push
the wildlife guy to the ground.
i think we need some more time with you, not sure if you are ai
or raw uncooked human.

I am not baked.

David (Devon)

2024-11-21 14:34:03 UTC

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On 21/11/2024 13:48, Snit wrote:
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Post by Snit
I am not baked.

I've heard tell that you are half-baked! ;-)

pothead

2024-11-21 14:53:27 UTC

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Post by Snit
I am not baked.

I've heard tell that you are half-baked! ;-)

Snit is still in the pickled stage.
Not ready for baking quite yet.

--
pothead

"Ding Dong The Witch Is Gone"
"Which Old Witch?"
"The Kamala Harris Witch. Of Course!"

David (Devon)

2024-11-21 15:06:24 UTC

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Post by David (Devon)
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Post by Snit
I am not baked.

I've heard tell that you are half-baked! ;-)

Snit is still in the pickled stage.
Not ready for baking quite yet.

I posted in jest, Snit is my friend! ;-)

It's good to note that you've removed crap links from your signature
block. Let's all move forward in peace and harmony, eh?

😀

Snit

2024-11-21 15:35:49 UTC

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Post by David (Devon)
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Post by Snit
I am not baked.

I've heard tell that you are half-baked! ;-)

Snit is still in the pickled stage.
Not ready for baking quite yet.

I posted in jest, Snit is my friend! ;-)

No offense was taken.

Post by David (Devon)
It's good to note that you've removed crap links from your signature
block. Let's all move forward in peace and harmony, eh?

I hope so. If she can agree to I will take her out of auto-read.

Post by David (Devon)
😀

Snit

2024-11-21 15:05:27 UTC

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Post by Snit
I am not baked.

I've heard tell that you are half-baked! ;-)

No comment.

Chris

2024-11-20 17:46:01 UTC

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Paywalled.

This article highlights how the test wasn't realistic and under real world
conditions would likely behave very differently.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2024/11/19/chatgpt-health-doctor-diagnosis/

Post by Snit
Dr. Adam Rodman, an expert in internal medicine at Beth
Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston, confidently
expected that chatbots built to use artificial
intelligence would help doctors diagnose illnesses.
He was wrong.
Instead, in a study Dr. Rodman helped design, doctors who
were given ChatGPT-4 along with conventional resources did
only slightly better than doctors who did not have access
to the bot. And, to the researchers’ surprise, ChatGPT
alone outperformed the doctors.
“I was shocked,” Dr. Rodman said.
The chatbot, from the company OpenAI, scored an average of
90 percent when diagnosing a medical condition from a case
report and explaining its reasoning. Doctors randomly
assigned to use the chatbot got an average score of 76
percent. Those randomly assigned not to use it had an
average score of 74 percent.
The study showed more than just the chatbot’s superior
performance.
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I am not sure how to feel about this. In some ways it is great that the tools
are improving... in some ways it is sad how poorly doctors do.

The study used synthetic data which IMO favours algorithms as there's
always a right answer. Clinical medicine is much more nuanced where there
might not be a right answer or multiple equally valid answers.

Although there are definitely areas to help clinicians make better
decisions when they're tired etc, doctors aren't disappearing any time
soon.

Snit

2024-11-20 18:22:08 UTC

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Post by Chris

Paywalled.

Turn off JavaScript. :)

Post by Chris
This article highlights how the test wasn't realistic and under real world
conditions would likely behave very differently.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2024/11/19/chatgpt-health-doctor-diagnosis/

Fair.

Post by Chris
Although there are definitely areas to help clinicians make better
decisions when they're tired etc, doctors aren't disappearing any time
soon.

Nor should they... but better training to use modern tools would be a good
thing in my view.