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"idmsa" - Discuss please
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David
2019-11-12 20:08:38 UTC
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Here's a short extract from a website:-

"If you haven't authorized this transaction, click the link below to get
full refund. Go to the Help Centre at:
http://idmsa.apple.com/IDMSWebAuth/refund/login.html?appIdKey".

*Except the link doesn't go to an Apple page*. (One thing about embedded
links is that the stated link can be completely different from the
actual link.) Instead, you'll find yourself on what only SEEMS to be an
Apple Store page."

Ref: https://www.tomsguide.com/us/itunes-movie-phishing-scam,news-24551.html
r***@gmx.com
2019-11-12 20:26:09 UTC
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Post by David
Here's a short extract from a website:-
"If you haven't authorized this transaction, click the link below to get
http://idmsa.apple.com/IDMSWebAuth/refund/login.html?appIdKey".
*Except the link doesn't go to an Apple page*. (One thing about embedded
links is that the stated link can be completely different from the
actual link.) Instead, you'll find yourself on what only SEEMS to be an
Apple Store page."
Ref: https://www.tomsguide.com/us/itunes-movie-phishing-scam,news-24551.html
Goes to

https://www.apple.com/filenotfound

Which is an Apple page.
Mike Easter
2019-11-12 20:38:56 UTC
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David wrote:

Subject: "idmsa" - Discuss please

idmsa.apple.com used to be a central signin place but the (sub) domain
doesn't currently work.

The general search engines show a lot of people getting confused. When
operational, it WAS an apple domain.

Discussion here: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8028784
https://idmsa.apple.com
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Mike Easter
David
2019-11-12 21:39:50 UTC
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Post by Mike Easter
Subject: "idmsa" - Discuss please
idmsa.apple.com used to be a central signin place but the (sub) domain
doesn't currently work.
The general search engines show a lot of people getting confused.  When
operational, it WAS an apple domain.
Discussion here:  https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8028784
https://idmsa.apple.com
Thanks for taking an interest, Mike. I can remember reading that thread
and STILL not taking on board the implications. :-(

Entering one's Apple ID and Password is the ONLY way to be able to post
on the forums.

Those credentials could be used for so many different, and possibly
nefarious, purposes.

How dopey I've been - but now, at last, *the penny has dropped*! <rolls
eyes>
Mike Easter
2019-11-12 21:52:02 UTC
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Post by David
How dopey I've been - but now, at last, *the penny has dropped*! <rolls
eyes>
What do you mean? I haven't seen /evidence/ that people have provided
apple credentials to a bogus site.

The link you posted
http://idmsa.apple.com/IDMSWebAuth/refund/login.html?appIdKey just goes
to an apple page not found.

However, if a link *looked like* idmsa.apple.com but actually
*functioned like* some other link to some other page, that is another
matter.
--
Mike Easter
David
2019-11-13 20:22:26 UTC
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Post by David
How dopey I've been - but now, at last, *the penny has dropped*!
<rolls eyes>
What do you mean?  I haven't seen /evidence/ that people have provided
apple credentials to a bogus site.
The link you posted
http://idmsa.apple.com/IDMSWebAuth/refund/login.html?appIdKey  just goes
to an apple page not found.
However, if a link *looked like* idmsa.apple.com but actually
*functioned like* some other link to some other page, that is another
matter.
How an 'we' tell, Mike?!!!
David
2019-11-13 20:32:37 UTC
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On 13/11/2019 20:22, David should have written:-

How *CAN* 'we' tell, Mike?!!
Char Jackson
2019-11-13 23:17:34 UTC
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Post by David
On 13/11/2019 20:22, David should have written:-
How *CAN* 'we' tell, Mike?!!
You either just discovered the Internet yesterday, in which case you have
some catching up to do, or you have the world's only browser or email
client that doesn't let you preview a link before you click on it.

Bottom line, use the preview, idiot! That's what it's there for.
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To prevent yourself from being a victim of cyber
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Panthera Tigris Altaica
2019-11-14 16:40:06 UTC
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Post by David
Post by David
How dopey I've been - but now, at last, *the penny has dropped*!
<rolls eyes>
What do you mean?  I haven't seen /evidence/ that people have provided
apple credentials to a bogus site.
The link you posted
http://idmsa.apple.com/IDMSWebAuth/refund/login.html?appIdKey  just
goes to an apple page not found.
However, if a link *looked like* idmsa.apple.com but actually
*functioned like* some other link to some other page, that is another
matter.
How an 'we' tell, Mike?!!!
Are you _seriously_ asking this? In 2019? Using a web browser created in
the last _decade_? You're 'teasing' again, correct?
Char Jackson
2019-11-14 17:48:25 UTC
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 11:40:06 -0500, Panthera Tigris Altaica
Post by Panthera Tigris Altaica
Post by David
Post by David
How dopey I've been - but now, at last, *the penny has dropped*!
<rolls eyes>
What do you mean?  I haven't seen /evidence/ that people have provided
apple credentials to a bogus site.
The link you posted
http://idmsa.apple.com/IDMSWebAuth/refund/login.html?appIdKey  just
goes to an apple page not found.
However, if a link *looked like* idmsa.apple.com but actually
*functioned like* some other link to some other page, that is another
matter.
How an 'we' tell, Mike?!!!
Are you _seriously_ asking this? In 2019? Using a web browser created in
the last _decade_? You're 'teasing' again, correct?
In David's defense, he drinks. Like, a lot.
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To prevent yourself from being a victim of cyber
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<https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php>
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Shadow
2019-11-14 18:08:00 UTC
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 11:40:06 -0500, Panthera Tigris Altaica
.....
Post by Panthera Tigris Altaica
Post by David
Post by Mike Easter
However, if a link *looked like* idmsa.apple.com but actually
*functioned like* some other link to some other page, that is another
matter.
How an 'we' tell, Mike?!!!
Are you _seriously_ asking this? In 2019? Using a web browser created in
the last _decade_? You're 'teasing' again, correct?
"British Humour" at it's best.
BD is always good for a laugh, though I prefer the parrot
jokes. Less repetitive.

---------------
BD: I want people to "get to know me better. I have nothing to
hide".
I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's request,
rather, he said "Do it *NOW*!":

<http://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php>

60 confirmed #FAKE_NYMS, most used in cybercrimes!
Google "David Brooks Devon"
[]'s
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We have a new policy - Google 2012
Shadow
2019-11-12 22:25:52 UTC
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Post by David
Post by Mike Easter
Subject: "idmsa" - Discuss please
idmsa.apple.com used to be a central signin place but the (sub) domain
doesn't currently work.
The general search engines show a lot of people getting confused.  When
operational, it WAS an apple domain.
Discussion here:  https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8028784
https://idmsa.apple.com
Thanks for taking an interest, Mike. I can remember reading that thread
and STILL not taking on board the implications. :-(
There are none. IOW, you didn't bother to read the text.
Post by David
Entering one's Apple ID and Password is the ONLY way to be able to post
on the forums.
Same with any other private forum. User ID and password.
Post by David
Those credentials could be used for so many different, and possibly
nefarious, purposes.
Like what for instance? STALKING?
Not a problem, criminals are *BANNED*. It's what moderators
are there for.
Post by David
<rolls eyes>
Again? Go to bed. Without the bottle.

---------------
BD: I want people to "get to know me better. I have nothing to
hide".
I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's request,
rather, he said "Do it *NOW*!":

<http://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php>

60 confirmed #FAKE_NYMS, most used in cybercrimes!
Google "David Brooks Devon"
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012
Char Jackson
2019-11-13 00:41:23 UTC
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Post by David
How dopey I've been - but now, at last, *the penny has dropped*! <rolls
eyes>
Dopey, yes, incredibly so and in so many aspects of your life, but don't be
too hard on yourself. Heavy drinking has serious consequences, as you've
seen first hand. You have to reap what you've sown. It should come as no
surprise, though, that life can be hard for bad guys like you. You can
honestly say that you deserve it, though.
--
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To prevent yourself from being a victim of cyber
stalking, it's highly recommended that you visit here:

<https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20191103112509/https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php>
Apd
2019-11-12 22:27:38 UTC
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Post by Mike Easter
Subject: "idmsa" - Discuss please
idmsa.apple.com used to be a central signin place but the (sub) domain
doesn't currently work.
It's the "Sign in to Apple Support Communities" page and needs a full
path and parameters.

$> host idmsa.apple.com
idmsa.apple.com is an alias for idmsa.apple.com.akadns.net.
idmsa.apple.com.akadns.net has address 17.179.252.64

So it's on Akamai.
David
2019-11-13 20:24:59 UTC
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Post by Apd
Post by Mike Easter
Subject: "idmsa" - Discuss please
idmsa.apple.com used to be a central signin place but the (sub) domain
doesn't currently work.
It's the "Sign in to Apple Support Communities" page and needs a full
path and parameters.
$> host idmsa.apple.com
idmsa.apple.com is an alias for idmsa.apple.com.akadns.net.
idmsa.apple.com.akadns.net has address 17.179.252.64
So it's on Akamai.
I seem to recall that my investigation into Microsoft Answers also led
to Akami. Might there be a link?
Char Jackson
2019-11-13 23:12:52 UTC
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Post by David
Post by Apd
Post by Mike Easter
Subject: "idmsa" - Discuss please
idmsa.apple.com used to be a central signin place but the (sub) domain
doesn't currently work.
It's the "Sign in to Apple Support Communities" page and needs a full
path and parameters.
$> host idmsa.apple.com
idmsa.apple.com is an alias for idmsa.apple.com.akadns.net.
idmsa.apple.com.akadns.net has address 17.179.252.64
So it's on Akamai.
I seem to recall that my investigation into Microsoft Answers also led
to Akami. Might there be a link?
Akamai is a CDN and is used by thousands of organizations to improve the
performance of their sites. You gots yourself a little hinky, do ya?

Don't you have Google or its equivalent where you live?
--
Have you been approached by David Brooks (DB, ~DB~, and 50+ other nyms)?

To prevent yourself from being a victim of cyber
stalking, it's highly recommended that you visit here:

<https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php>
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Diesel
2019-11-16 02:08:47 UTC
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Post by David
Post by Apd
Post by Mike Easter
Subject: "idmsa" - Discuss please
idmsa.apple.com used to be a central signin place but the (sub)
domain doesn't currently work.
It's the "Sign in to Apple Support Communities" page and needs a
full path and parameters.
$> host idmsa.apple.com
idmsa.apple.com is an alias for idmsa.apple.com.akadns.net.
idmsa.apple.com.akadns.net has address 17.179.252.64
So it's on Akamai.
I seem to recall that my investigation into Microsoft Answers also
led to Akami. Might there be a link?
ROFLMFAO! Priceless! fucking priceless I tell you.

David, have you considered becoming a stand up comic who focuses on
technology and the general publics total lack of any understanding of
it? You could be the comic and the example of the general public all
in one. You might as well get paid for the laughs you generate.
--
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Panthera Tigris Altaica
2019-11-14 16:38:24 UTC
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Post by Mike Easter
Subject: "idmsa" - Discuss please
idmsa.apple.com used to be a central signin place but the (sub) domain
doesn't currently work.
It worked for me this morning.
Post by Mike Easter
The general search engines show a lot of people getting confused.  When
operational, it WAS an apple domain.
Discussion here:  https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8028784
https://idmsa.apple.com
Mike Easter
2019-11-12 22:02:50 UTC
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Post by David
Here's a short extract from a website:-
Your presentation was misleading to me. It appeared to me that the
above was YOUR words referring to the below words that you saw at a website.

Instead your 'short extract from a website' means that you are pasting
content from an article at tomsguide.
Post by David
"If you haven't authorized this transaction, click the link below to get
http://idmsa.apple.com/IDMSWebAuth/refund/login.html?appIdKey".
So, then this content above is ACTUALLY from an email PHISH, but the
link contained above is not what the *ACTUAL* link said.

There is nothing new about bogus email phish/es.
Post by David
*Except the link doesn't go to an Apple page*. (One thing about embedded
links is that the stated link can be completely different from the
actual link.) Instead, you'll find yourself on what only SEEMS to be an
Apple Store page."
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/itunes-movie-phishing-scam,news-24551.html
You are just quoting the tomsquide article about the phish; you are NOT
saying you found a webpage with the content of what you pasted in the top.
--
Mike Easter
Shadow
2019-11-12 22:29:16 UTC
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Post by Mike Easter
Post by David
Here's a short extract from a website:-
Your presentation was misleading to me.
.....

---------------
BD: I want people to "get to know me better. I have nothing to
hide".
I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's request,
rather, he said "Do it *NOW*!":

<http://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php>

60 confirmed #FAKE_NYMS, most used in cybercrimes!
Google "David Brooks Devon"
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012
Mike Easter
2019-11-12 22:20:46 UTC
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Post by David
Ref: https://www.tomsguide.com/us/itunes-movie-phishing-scam,news-24551.html
IMO; people should not /open/ spam email at all. That means that they
should not 'recklessly' open email which is not 'known' to them, where
'open' means being configured to render html which you simply /select/
or open an email to access its message body content. Open also includes
accessing remote sites for graphics whose links are configured into the
mail.

So, if a person receives an 'unexpected' email which raises 'questions'
in their mind, they don't seek to answer those questions by opening and
rendering an html mail, but instead they access the message source so
that they can see the email headers to determine whether or not the
sender is *actually* a source they would expect email.

The business of how to further inspect a potential spam email can be
left to the newsgroups where spam investigation is discussed.
--
Mike Easter
David
2019-11-13 20:31:10 UTC
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Post by David
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/itunes-movie-phishing-scam,news-24551.html
IMO; people should not /open/ spam email at all.  That means that they
should not 'recklessly' open email which is not 'known' to them, where
'open' means being configured to render html which you simply /select/
or open an email to access its message body content.  Open also includes
accessing remote sites for graphics whose links are configured into the
mail.
So, if a person receives an 'unexpected' email which raises 'questions'
in their mind, they don't seek to answer those questions by opening and
rendering an html mail, but instead they access the message source so
that they can see the email headers to determine whether or not the
sender is *actually* a source they would expect email.
The business of how to further inspect a potential spam email can be
left to the newsgroups where spam investigation is discussed.
I'm in agreement. Most folk probably know that.

However, when naive enquirers visit ASC forums or Microsoft Answers I'll
wager that they will not think twice about clicking on any like offered
to them by a 'helper'.

As far as I've been able to ascertain no Apple or Microsoft staff are
employed to check that links on those sites are 'safe'. It's a free-for-all!
David
2019-11-13 20:49:55 UTC
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On 13/11/2019 20:31, David should have typed:-

..... clicking on any link offered ....
Char Jackson
2019-11-13 23:18:15 UTC
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Post by David
On 13/11/2019 20:31, David should have typed:-
..... clicking on any link offered ....
...and the crow flew by the light of the moon...
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To prevent yourself from being a victim of cyber
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<https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php>
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Char Jackson
2019-11-13 23:15:38 UTC
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Post by David
However, when naive enquirers visit ASC forums or Microsoft Answers I'll
wager that they will not think twice about clicking on any like offered
to them by a 'helper'.
As far as I've been able to ascertain no Apple or Microsoft staff are
employed to check that links on those sites are 'safe'. It's a free-for-all!
Most rational and sane people would disagree with you. How long do you
realistically think a malicious link would survive in a forum like either
of those? Minutes?
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To prevent yourself from being a victim of cyber
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<https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php>
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Panthera Tigris Altaica
2019-11-14 16:37:45 UTC
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Post by David
Here's a short extract from a website:-
"If you haven't authorized this transaction, click the link below to get
http://idmsa.apple.com/IDMSWebAuth/refund/login.html?appIdKey".
*Except the link doesn't go to an Apple page*.
You are, again, showing that you are a buffoon. idmsa.apple.com is a
link to Apple pages, usually fora of some type, which require the use of
specialised data, usually an AppleID, to access. Among the Apple sites
linked to that URI are the Apple developers fora, the AppleSeed fora,
and some other Apple sites.
Post by David
(One thing about embedded
links is that the stated link can be completely different from the
actual link.) Instead, you'll find yourself on what only SEEMS to be an
Apple Store page."
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/itunes-movie-phishing-scam,news-24551.html
As usual you have no idea what you're babbling about.
David
2019-11-14 18:51:11 UTC
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Post by Panthera Tigris Altaica
Post by David
Here's a short extract from a website:-
"If you haven't authorized this transaction, click the link below to
http://idmsa.apple.com/IDMSWebAuth/refund/login.html?appIdKey".
*Except the link doesn't go to an Apple page*.
You are, again, showing that you are a buffoon. idmsa.apple.com is a
link to Apple pages, usually fora of some type, which require the use of
specialised data, usually an AppleID, to access. Among the Apple sites
linked to that URI are the Apple developers fora, the AppleSeed fora,
and some other Apple sites.
Maybe you can tell me about the "AppleSeed" fora?
Post by Panthera Tigris Altaica
Post by David
(One thing about embedded links is that the stated link can be
completely different from the actual link.) Instead, you'll find
yourself on what only SEEMS to be an Apple Store page."
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/itunes-movie-phishing-scam,news-24551.html
As usual you have no idea what you're babbling about.
But I *DO*! ;-)

"*Here's an example of a supposed Apple link going to Wikipedia.*"

That is said by Kurt Lang in this ASC post - a GREAT example too.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8028784

HTH

Btw, I have seen links like that which do NOT show the correct
destination when you hover over them with a cursor (mouse pointer) or,
in Apple's case, drag them.
Panthera Tigris Altaica
2019-11-14 19:01:19 UTC
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Post by David
Post by Panthera Tigris Altaica
Post by David
Here's a short extract from a website:-
"If you haven't authorized this transaction, click the link below to
http://idmsa.apple.com/IDMSWebAuth/refund/login.html?appIdKey".
*Except the link doesn't go to an Apple page*.
You are, again, showing that you are a buffoon. idmsa.apple.com is a
link to Apple pages, usually fora of some type, which require the use
of specialised data, usually an AppleID, to access. Among the Apple
sites linked to that URI are the Apple developers fora, the AppleSeed
fora, and some other Apple sites.
Maybe you can tell me about the "AppleSeed" fora?
Google is your friend.
Post by David
Post by Panthera Tigris Altaica
Post by David
(One thing about embedded links is that the stated link can be
completely different from the actual link.) Instead, you'll find
yourself on what only SEEMS to be an Apple Store page."
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/itunes-movie-phishing-scam,news-24551.html
As usual you have no idea what you're babbling about.
But I *DO*! ;-)
No, you don't.
Post by David
"*Here's an example of a supposed Apple link going to Wikipedia.*"
That is said by Kurt Lang in this ASC post - a GREAT example too.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8028784
HTH
Btw, I have seen links like that which do NOT show the correct
destination when you hover over them with a cursor (mouse pointer) or,
in Apple's case, drag them.
That would mean that they are not the correct URI.
David
2019-11-14 20:53:03 UTC
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[....]
Post by David
Btw, I have seen links like that which do NOT show the correct
destination when you hover over them with a cursor (mouse pointer) or,
in Apple's case, drag them.
That would mean  that they are not the correct URI.
Can you provide an example?
Shadow
2019-11-14 21:37:49 UTC
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Post by David
[....]
Post by David
Btw, I have seen links like that which do NOT show the correct
destination when you hover over them with a cursor (mouse pointer) or,
in Apple's case, drag them.
That would mean  that they are not the correct URI.
Can you provide an example?
Of course.
If you type in

http://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php

It will NOT take you to the Wikipedia site. Try it.
Always glad to help.
[]'s
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Panthera Tigris Altaica
2019-11-14 23:32:53 UTC
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Post by David
[....]
Post by David
Btw, I have seen links like that which do NOT show the correct
destination when you hover over them with a cursor (mouse pointer)
or, in Apple's case, drag them.
That would mean  that they are not the correct URI.
Can you provide an example?
Google is your friend. In your case, your only friend.
Char Jackson
2019-11-14 23:41:53 UTC
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 18:32:53 -0500, Panthera Tigris Altaica
Post by Panthera Tigris Altaica
Post by David
[....]
Post by David
Btw, I have seen links like that which do NOT show the correct
destination when you hover over them with a cursor (mouse pointer)
or, in Apple's case, drag them.
That would mean  that they are not the correct URI.
Can you provide an example?
Google is your friend. In your case, your only friend.
What would you call his relationship with the bottle? 'Intimate'?
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Have you been approached by David Brooks (DB, ~DB~, and 50+ other nyms)?

To prevent yourself from being a victim of cyber
stalking, it's highly recommended that you visit here:

<https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php>
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Mike Easter
2019-11-14 19:05:35 UTC
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Post by David
Btw, I have seen links like that which do NOT show the correct
destination when you hover over them with a cursor (mouse pointer)
You will have to describe the situation in much more detail to build
your case.

The Kurt Lang example you gave performs 'as expected' in that the
apparent/ visual content of the link was different from the actual link
'inside' the html.

Thus, if you 'reveal' the html of the Kurt Lang msg, it says:

<p>If this is a link in an email, hover over the link to make sure it
goes where it says. Anyone with minor HTML skills can make a link say
one thing, while going somewhere else.</p><p><br></p><p>Here's an
example of a supposed Apple link going to Wikipedia.</p><p><br></p><p><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page"
rel="nofollow">https://idmsa.apple.com/</a></p>
--
Mike Easter
Panthera Tigris Altaica
2019-11-14 19:40:41 UTC
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Post by Mike Easter
Post by David
Btw, I have seen links like that which do NOT show the correct
destination when you hover over them with a cursor (mouse pointer)
You will have to describe the situation in much more detail to build
your case.
The Kurt Lang example you gave performs 'as expected' in that the
apparent/ visual content of the link was different from the actual link
'inside' the html.
<p>If this is a link in an email, hover over the link to make sure it
goes where it says. Anyone with minor HTML skills can make a link say
one thing, while going somewhere else.</p><p><br></p><p>Here's an
example of a supposed Apple link going to Wikipedia.</p><p><br></p><p><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page"
rel="nofollow">https://idmsa.apple.com/</a></p>
There are one-line examples of how to do this. There are also sites
which can automate doing this for those too lazy or too thick to do it
themselves. It's absolutely basic, and anyone who makes heavy weather
out of it merely demonstrates his total lack of the faintest glimmer of
a clue. And, no, Mr. Lang is not the clueless one in this context.
David
2019-11-14 20:33:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike Easter
Post by David
Btw, I have seen links like that which do NOT show the correct
destination when you hover over them with a cursor (mouse pointer)
You will have to describe the situation in much more detail to build
your case.
The Kurt Lang example you gave performs 'as expected' in that the
apparent/ visual content of the link was different from the actual link
'inside' the html.
<p>If this is a link in an email, hover over the link to make sure it
goes where it says. Anyone with minor HTML skills can make a link say
one thing, while going somewhere else.</p><p><br></p><p>Here's an
example of a supposed Apple link going to Wikipedia.</p><p><br></p><p><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page"
rel="nofollow">https://idmsa.apple.com/</a></p>
You may already understand that this is exactly where my journey
started, all those years ago! ;-)

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/microsoft.public.security.homeusers/LLHB0A_ZQdw

"Not one "real" person I've spoken to face to face has any idea that it is
possible for one to type a URL in the address box, click "Go" and be
whisked
off to a web site which appears to be exactly as they might expect - but
isn't bone fide! They do not realise that it could be a "photograph" of the
real thing and that the content could be harmful.


If you are a Technophile, you will know all of the answers (well, most!)
and
take all the right precautions. Unless you have a "test" machine (and
hundreds of hours to spare) you will never have actually experienced the
trials and tribulations suffered by us mere mortals who do become
"infected" - there are lots of "us" - just look at the number of queries on
the Newsgroups!

Most individuals who come to this Newsgroup site are only here because they
have experienced a problem and are endeavouring to find a solution. It is
all well and good for a helper to suggest, just as an example, "go to
www.trendmicro.com and run the HouseCall service to see if you have a
virus.
If malware already has total control of one's PC, instead of going to the
REAL Trend Micro site you end up being REDIRECTED to a site which looks
real
and which you think is checking your PC - but it isn't ........ and gives
you an OK! when the malware is still lurking inside your PC.
How frustrating is that eh? Perhaps YOU will never know - but I've been
there and it is not good news!

I seek only to let others know that it can, and does happen.

My experiences have led me to believe that some of the "bad" guys out there
are at least as clever as the MVP's. The Redirectors (call them what you
will) are selective - if you wish to Google or go on-line shopping (as
examples) no problem but if you try to go to an anti-spyware, anti-virus or
"fixing" site - that's when one is "redirected" or just simply prevented
from accessing the desired information."

Dave
Mike Easter
2019-11-14 21:12:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by David
Post by Mike Easter
Post by David
Btw, I have seen links like that which do NOT show the correct
destination when you hover over them with a cursor (mouse pointer)
You will have to describe the situation in much more detail to build
your case.
The Kurt Lang example you gave performs 'as expected' in that the
apparent/ visual content of the link was different from the actual
link 'inside' the html.
<p>If this is a link in an email, hover over the link to make sure it
goes where it says. Anyone with minor HTML skills can make a link say
one thing, while going somewhere else.</p><p><br></p><p>Here's an
example of a supposed Apple link going to
Wikipedia.</p><p><br></p><p><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page"
rel="nofollow">https://idmsa.apple.com/</a></p>
You may already understand that this is exactly where my journey
started, all those years ago! ;-)
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/microsoft.public.security.homeusers/LLHB0A_ZQdw
I am doubtful that I'm going to go read a 2006 thread. Presumably you
are changing the 'theme' of this thread. The theme is supposed to be
about masking one URL w/ another in such as a nefarious email.

You are known to 'blindly' (or unexpectedly) shift from one subject to
another.
Post by David
"Not one "real" person I've spoken to face to face has any idea that it is
possible for one to type a URL in the address box,
Typing a URL in an addressbox is a concept that is foreign to me. What
kind of conditions would cause someone or YOU for instance to do such a
thing?
Post by David
click "Go" and be whisked off to a web site which appears to be
exactly as they might expect - but isn't bone fide!
Redirectors are NOT the same things as this theme we started w/.

I believe our/ your/ problem here is that you are confusing one issue w/
another.
Post by David
They do not realise that it could be a "photograph" of the real thing
and that the content could be harmful.
Before I address the rest of your message, you are going to have to get
yourself straightened out between redirectors and obfuscated URLs.

https://www.webopedia.com/TERM/O/obfuscated_URL.html obfuscated URL

https://www.howtogeek.com/364944/why-do-websites-redirect-to-fake-%E2%80%9Ccongratulations%E2%80%9D-gift-card-pages/
This advertisement contains JavaScript code that navigates away from
the current web page to a new web page, and that new web page includes a
scammy pop-up message.
--
Mike Easter
David
2019-11-14 21:17:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by David
Post by Mike Easter
Post by David
Btw, I have seen links like that which do NOT show the correct
destination when you hover over them with a cursor (mouse pointer)
You will have to describe the situation in much more detail to build
your case.
The Kurt Lang example you gave performs 'as expected' in that the
apparent/ visual content of the link was different from the actual
link 'inside' the html.
<p>If this is a link in an email, hover over the link to make sure it
goes where it says. Anyone with minor HTML skills can make a link say
one thing, while going somewhere else.</p><p><br></p><p>Here's an
example of a supposed Apple link going to
Wikipedia.</p><p><br></p><p><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page"
rel="nofollow">https://idmsa.apple.com/</a></p>
You may already understand that this is exactly where my journey
started, all those years ago! ;-)
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/microsoft.public.security.homeusers/LLHB0A_ZQdw
I am doubtful that I'm going to go read a 2006 thread.  Presumably you
are changing the 'theme' of this thread.  The theme is supposed to be
about masking one URL w/ another in such as a nefarious email.
You are known to 'blindly' (or unexpectedly) shift from one subject to
another.
Post by David
"Not one "real" person I've spoken to face to face has any idea that it is
possible for one to type a URL in the address box,
Typing a URL in an addressbox is a concept that is foreign to me.  What
kind of conditions would cause someone or YOU for instance to do such a
thing?
Post by David
click "Go" and be whisked off to a web site which appears to be
exactly as they might expect - but isn't bone fide!
Redirectors are NOT the same things as this theme we started w/.
I believe our/ your/ problem here is that you are confusing one issue w/
another.
Post by David
They do not realise that it could be a "photograph" of the real thing
and that the content could be harmful.
Before I address the rest of your message, you are going to have to get
yourself straightened out between redirectors and obfuscated URLs.
https://www.webopedia.com/TERM/O/obfuscated_URL.html  obfuscated URL
https://www.howtogeek.com/364944/why-do-websites-redirect-to-fake-%E2%80%9Ccongratulations%E2%80%9D-gift-card-pages/
 This advertisement contains JavaScript code that navigates away from
the current web page to a new web page, and that new web page includes a
scammy pop-up message.
L8r m8 :-)
David
2019-11-15 10:32:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by David
Post by Mike Easter
Post by David
Btw, I have seen links like that which do NOT show the correct
destination when you hover over them with a cursor (mouse pointer)
You will have to describe the situation in much more detail to build
your case.
The Kurt Lang example you gave performs 'as expected' in that the
apparent/ visual content of the link was different from the actual
link 'inside' the html.
<p>If this is a link in an email, hover over the link to make sure it
goes where it says. Anyone with minor HTML skills can make a link say
one thing, while going somewhere else.</p><p><br></p><p>Here's an
example of a supposed Apple link going to
Wikipedia.</p><p><br></p><p><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page"
rel="nofollow">https://idmsa.apple.com/</a></p>
You may already understand that this is exactly where my journey
started, all those years ago! ;-)
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/microsoft.public.security.homeusers/LLHB0A_ZQdw
I am doubtful that I'm going to go read a 2006 thread.  Presumably you
are changing the 'theme' of this thread.  The theme is supposed to be
about masking one URL w/ another in such as a nefarious email.
You are known to 'blindly' (or unexpectedly) shift from one subject to
another.
You do not /have/ to read the thread - I'm sure you are well aware that
I was simply looking for those who cause harm on the Internet.
Post by David
"Not one "real" person I've spoken to face to face has any idea that it is
possible for one to type a URL in the address box,
Typing a URL in an address box is a concept that is foreign to me.  What
kind of conditions would cause someone or YOU for instance to do such a
thing?
I expect you'll explain why what I said was incorrect.

The information at this link seems to support what I meant:-

https://kb.iu.edu/d/adnz

"URL stands for Uniform Resource Locator, and is used to specify
addresses on the World Wide Web. A URL is the fundamental network
identification for any resource connected to the web (e.g., hypertext
pages, images, and sound files).

URLs have the following format:

protocol://hostname/other_information
For example, the URL for Indiana University's home page is:

http://www.indiana.edu/ "

HTH
Post by David
click "Go" and be whisked off to a web site which appears to be
exactly as they might expect - but isn't bone fide!
Redirectors are NOT the same things as this theme we started w/.
I believe our/ your/ problem here is that you are confusing one issue w/
another.
Perhaps we are. What I HAVE encountered is that I have clicked on a link
which shows the expected detail by hovering or by dragging (Apple) and
then have ended up at a DIFFERENT destination that the one intended.

I have no idea how that is achieved.

It happened a lot with a firm based in Malta IIRC.

A quick look led me here, but I've not yet read the thread:-

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/uniblue-scam-and-very-harmful-virusesmalware/ecf044e8-9c5e-e011-8dfc-68b599b31bf5
Post by David
They do not realise that it could be a "photograph" of the real thing
and that the content could be harmful.
Before I address the rest of your message, you are going to have to get
yourself straightened out between redirectors and obfuscated URLs.
https://www.webopedia.com/TERM/O/obfuscated_URL.html  obfuscated URL
https://www.howtogeek.com/364944/why-do-websites-redirect-to-fake-%E2%80%9Ccongratulations%E2%80%9D-gift-card-pages/
 This advertisement contains JavaScript code that navigates away from
the current web page to a new web page, and that new web page includes a
scammy pop-up message.
I'll review your links once I've sent this response.

=

I hope I had a small part to play in the demise of this operation:-

https://www.shouldiremoveit.com/Uniblue-Systems-Ltd-5140-publisher.aspx

https://betanews.com/2018/12/10/uniblue-closes-its-doors-for-good/
Shadow
2019-11-15 11:47:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by David
Post by Mike Easter
You are known to 'blindly' (or unexpectedly) shift from one subject to
another.
You do not /have/ to read the thread - I'm sure you are well aware that
I was simply looking for those who cause harm on the Internet.
So you never bother to read what Apd and M.E. post?
I suppose that explains why you ask the same questions over
and over again, and ignore any requests for comment (even if you
*promise* to)
Post by David
Post by Mike Easter
Post by David
"Not one "real" person I've spoken to face to face has any idea that
it is possible for one to type a URL in the address box <and be taken to another site>
Typing a URL in an address box is a concept that is foreign to me.  What
kind of conditions would cause someone or YOU for instance to do such a
thing?
<COPY_AND_PASTE_REMOVED>
http://www.indiana.edu/ "
Ah, copy and pasted, NOT typed. Thanks for proving why you
*LIED*.

---------------
BD: I want people to "get to know me better. I have nothing to
hide".
I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's request,
rather, he said "Do it *NOW*!":

<http://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php>

60 confirmed #FAKE_NYMS, most used in cybercrimes!
Google "David Brooks Devon"
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012
Shadow
2019-11-15 12:38:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by David
I hope I had a small part to play in the demise of this operation:-
https://www.shouldiremoveit.com/Uniblue-Systems-Ltd-5140-publisher.aspx
Uniblue was sold to an undisclosed "cloud service" partner in
2012, at a massive profit. They developed unique trackers and had an
enormous user database containing valuable personal information.

//Former Uniblue owners thank all of the following people for their
positive feedback:

BoaterDave
BoaterDaveTJ
~BD~
BD1
BD2
Beady
Imbeady2
David B
David B.
DavidB
David_B
David DewGud
DavidDewgud
BDonTJ
***@gmail.com
CommanderB
Commander_B
Angela Bennett
Byker
bufordTjustice
DonOldham
Tony Smith
Tinkerer
Davoud1945
Brawdy14
HunterBD
HunterDB
Hunter88
Steve Carroll
I.Mackie
GA11
Marley
SaabOwner
Owner
C.A.Strate
Derek Feldman
A. Student
David in Devon
Dudley Brooks
Mrs Parrot
David G. Brooks
Russell Newbery
David B 1466
DGB
David
Anonymous
Christine Grist
Big Brother
PSA
davidbrooks_5408
Sir Topham Hatt
Jack
Jon Botting
John <Doh>
Sidney Carton
Mr On
BD

Without their free propaganda, "we wouldn't be stinking rich now"//

Nice, BD. You DO realise that ANY criticism from you is viewed
by any normal user as *LIES*? You managed to HELP a notorious tracker.
Thanks to BD, another *bad guy* laughs all the way to the
bank.
As to the tracking "Cloud and Download" company that bought
it, I can't find ANY information. Dropbox, maybe? (could be any one of
them)
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012
David
2019-11-15 13:17:52 UTC
Permalink
On 15/11/2019 12:38, Shadow confirmed that he is a *STALKER*!
Jon Botting?
Jon is a real-life friend of mine who lives near Bristol.
Shadow
2019-11-15 16:03:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by David
On 15/11/2019 12:38, Shadow confirmed that he is a *STALKER*!
Jon Botting?
Jon is a real-life friend of mine who lives near Bristol.
If he was a "friend", you wouldn't use his name to STALK.

Thanks for confirming the other #FAKE_NYMS on the list, that
was nice of you.

As to the fact Uniblue was sold for it's datamining database
way back in 2012?
I suppose that's another "thread you don't read".

---------------
BD: I want people to "get to know me better. I have nothing to
hide".
I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's request,
rather, he said "Do it *NOW*!":

<http://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php>

60 confirmed #FAKE_NYMS, most used in cybercrimes!
Google "David Brooks Devon"
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012
Diesel
2019-11-16 02:08:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Shadow
davidbrooks_5408
wow. really? part of an address he was supposed to have on me. lol
--
Any given program, when running, needs debugging. Any debugged program
is obsolete.
Mike Easter
2019-11-15 16:01:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by David
Post by Mike Easter
Post by David
Post by Mike Easter
Post by David
Btw, I have seen links like that which do NOT show the correct
destination when you hover over them with a cursor (mouse pointer)
You will have to describe the situation in much more detail to build
your case.
I'm still waiting for this.
Post by David
Post by Mike Easter
You are known to 'blindly' (or unexpectedly) shift from one subject to
another.
Post by David
"Not one "real" person I've spoken to face to face has any idea
that it is possible for one to type a URL in the address box,
Typing a URL in an address box is a concept that is foreign to me.
What kind of conditions would cause someone or YOU for instance to do
such a thing?
I expect you'll explain why what I said was incorrect.
Let me clarify what we are talking about. The 'theme' is about
obfuscated URLs in html in which the eyeballs see one URL but when that
apparent URL is clicked, the ACTUAL URL goes into the browser's address
line and that is where the browser goes. Also that actual url which is
'seen' by the browser but obfuscated to the eyeballs unless the html is
revealed is also 'visible' to the human eyeball without revealing the
html page by placing the cursor over the obfuscated URL and showing the
actual URL in the browser's bottom status bar.

You are trying to talk about something else when you start talking about
TYPING a URL into the address line. And I never type URLs into browser
address bars. I might type a URL into some other tool.
Post by David
The information at this link seems to support what I meant:-
No; a definition of URL at your link does NOT support what you said.
Post by David
https://kb.iu.edu/d/adnz
"URL stands for Uniform Resource Locator, and is used to specify
addresses on the World Wide Web. A URL is the fundamental network
identification for any resource connected to the web (e.g., hypertext
pages, images, and sound files).
  protocol://hostname/other_information
  http://www.indiana.edu/ "
HTH
We have a failure to communicate; ie you are posting useless info to the
discussion.
Post by David
Post by Mike Easter
Post by David
click "Go" and be whisked off to a web site which appears to be
exactly as they might expect - but isn't bone fide!
Redirectors are NOT the same things as this theme we started w/.
I believe our/ your/ problem here is that you are confusing one issue
w/ another.
Perhaps we are. What I HAVE encountered is that I have clicked on a link
which shows the expected detail by hovering or by dragging (Apple) and
then have ended up at a DIFFERENT destination that the one intended.
That is what I'm waiting for you to 'document'. What is more likely is
that you failed to notice the situation.
Post by David
I have no idea how that is achieved.
It happened a lot with a firm based in Malta IIRC.
A quick look led me here, but I've not yet read the thread:-
It seems to me that you are expecting me to do your reading for you.
Post by David
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/uniblue-scam-and-very-harmful-virusesmalware/ecf044e8-9c5e-e011-8dfc-68b599b31bf5
A quick glance shows me nothing.

Here is a discussion of what you are alleging:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9851372/how-can-url-be-hidden-in-hyperlink-when-mouse-hover
how can url be hidden in hyperlink when mouse hover

... but I don't see the successful result there yet.
--
Mike Easter
David
2019-11-16 09:03:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike Easter
Post by David
Post by Mike Easter
Post by David
Post by Mike Easter
Post by David
Btw, I have seen links like that which do NOT show the correct
destination when you hover over them with a cursor (mouse pointer)
You will have to describe the situation in much more detail to
build your case.
I'm still waiting for this.
We need to start again. Sorry.
Post by Mike Easter
Post by David
Post by Mike Easter
You are known to 'blindly' (or unexpectedly) shift from one subject
to another.
Post by David
"Not one "real" person I've spoken to face to face has any idea
that it is possible for one to type a URL in the address box,
Typing a URL in an address box is a concept that is foreign to me.
What kind of conditions would cause someone or YOU for instance to do
such a thing?
I expect you'll explain why what I said was incorrect.
Let me clarify what we are talking about.  The 'theme' is about
obfuscated URLs in html in which the eyeballs see one URL but when that
apparent URL is clicked, the ACTUAL URL goes into the browser's address
line and that is where the browser goes.  Also that actual url which is
'seen' by the browser but obfuscated to the eyeballs unless the html is
revealed is also 'visible' to the human eyeball without revealing the
html page by placing the cursor over the obfuscated URL and showing the
actual URL in the browser's bottom status bar.
You are trying to talk about something else when you start talking about
TYPING a URL into the address line.  And I never type URLs into browser
address bars.  I might type a URL into some other tool.
Post by David
The information at this link seems to support what I meant:-
No; a definition of URL at your link does NOT support what you said.
Sorry. I thought it did.
Post by Mike Easter
Post by David
https://kb.iu.edu/d/adnz
"URL stands for Uniform Resource Locator, and is used to specify
addresses on the World Wide Web. A URL is the fundamental network
identification for any resource connected to the web (e.g., hypertext
pages, images, and sound files).
   protocol://hostname/other_information
   http://www.indiana.edu/ "
HTH
We have a failure to communicate; ie you are posting useless info to the
discussion.
Post by David
Post by Mike Easter
Post by David
click "Go" and be whisked off to a web site which appears to be
exactly as they might expect - but isn't bone fide!
Redirectors are NOT the same things as this theme we started w/.
I believe our/ your/ problem here is that you are confusing one issue
w/ another.
Perhaps we are. What I HAVE encountered is that I have clicked on a
link which shows the expected detail by hovering or by dragging
(Apple) and then have ended up at a DIFFERENT destination that the one
intended.
That is what I'm waiting for you to 'document'.  What is more likely is
that you failed to notice the situation.
I've made it my business to notice EVERYTHING but concede that I may
possibly have missed it.

I can vaguely recall me saying, back in my twenties, "I used to be
conceited, but now I'm perfect"! ;-)
Post by Mike Easter
Post by David
I have no idea how that is achieved.
It happened a lot with a firm based in Malta IIRC.
A quick look led me here, but I've not yet read the thread:-
It seems to me that you are expecting me to do your reading for you.
Post by David
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/uniblue-scam-and-very-harmful-virusesmalware/ecf044e8-9c5e-e011-8dfc-68b599b31bf5
A quick glance shows me nothing.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9851372/how-can-url-be-hidden-in-hyperlink-when-mouse-hover
 how can url be hidden in hyperlink when mouse hover
... but I don't see the successful result there yet.
We need to 'start-over' Mike, but you may like to review how the truth
can be distorted:-

https://www.linkedin.com/search/results/people/?facetCurrentCompany=%5B%2286818%22%5D

There *WERE* links posted on the old Annexcafe User2User group which
*DID* whisk one off to Uniblue sites even though the links in question
referred to something quite innocuous. It was the very reason that I
became so adept at re-installing my Windows software on my main PC
whilst using a laptop to continue my 'battles' with Peter Foldes on U2U.
He used to get infuriated that I'd been able to post when he thought
he'd put me out of action!

This link, found on the site you posted, is interesting but not really
something I wish to study.
https://jsfiddle.net/vipul09so/Lcryjga5/

But it appears that I am right - it *CAN* be done!

Kind regards,

David
Shadow
2019-11-16 10:45:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by David
Post by Mike Easter
Post by Mike Easter
You will have to describe the situation in much more detail to
build your case.
I'm still waiting for this.
We need to start again. Sorry.
Translation: "Another day, another 'friend' or two".

He was talking to his bottle, not to whoever asked him the
question that was (and still is being) ignored.

---------------
BD: I want people to "get to know me better. I have nothing to
hide".
I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's request,
rather, he said "Do it *NOW*!":

<http://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php>

60 confirmed #FAKE_NYMS, most used in cybercrimes!
Google "David Brooks Devon"
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012
Mike Easter
2019-11-16 15:45:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by David
Post by Mike Easter
Post by David
Post by Mike Easter
Post by David
Btw, I have seen links like that which do NOT show the correct
destination when you hover over them with a cursor (mouse pointer)
You will have to describe the situation in much more detail to
build your case.
I'm still waiting for this.
Let me clarify what we are talking about.  The 'theme' is about
obfuscated URLs in html in which the eyeballs see one URL but when
that apparent URL is clicked, the ACTUAL URL goes into the browser's
address line and that is where the browser goes.  Also that actual url
which is 'seen' by the browser but obfuscated to the eyeballs unless
the html is revealed is also 'visible' to the human eyeball without
revealing the html page by placing the cursor over the obfuscated URL
and showing the actual URL in the browser's bottom status bar.
Post by David
Perhaps we are. What I HAVE encountered is that I have clicked on a
link which shows the expected detail by hovering or by dragging
(Apple) and then have ended up at a DIFFERENT destination that the
one intended.
That is what I'm waiting for you to 'document'.  What is more likely
is that you failed to notice the situation.
I've made it my business to notice EVERYTHING but concede that I may
possibly have missed it.
Post by Mike Easter
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9851372/how-can-url-be-hidden-in-hyperlink-when-mouse-hover
  how can url be hidden in hyperlink when mouse hover
... but I don't see the successful result there yet.
This link, found on the site you posted, is interesting but not really
something I wish to study.
https://jsfiddle.net/vipul09so/Lcryjga5/
Yes; that example supports:

- a hyperlink which does NOT display the target in the status bar
- *nothing* is displayed in the status
Post by David
But it appears that I am right - it *CAN* be done!
If a hyperlink did NOT display in the status bar, I would display the
html source to see what it said. That example does NOT show the status
bar giving 'misinformation' like what the eyeball sees of the hyperlink.

I will concede that the correct result does not show in the status when
the cursor is hovered, but neither does the 'incorrect' result.
--
Mike Easter
David
2019-11-16 18:20:17 UTC
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Post by David
Post by Mike Easter
Post by David
Post by Mike Easter
Post by David
Btw, I have seen links like that which do NOT show the correct
destination when you hover over them with a cursor (mouse pointer)
You will have to describe the situation in much more detail to
build your case.
I'm still waiting for this.
Let me clarify what we are talking about.  The 'theme' is about
obfuscated URLs in html in which the eyeballs see one URL but when
that apparent URL is clicked, the ACTUAL URL goes into the browser's
address line and that is where the browser goes.  Also that actual
url which is 'seen' by the browser but obfuscated to the eyeballs
unless the html is revealed is also 'visible' to the human eyeball
without revealing the html page by placing the cursor over the
obfuscated URL and showing the actual URL in the browser's bottom
status bar.
Post by David
Perhaps we are. What I HAVE encountered is that I have clicked on a
link which shows the expected detail by hovering or by dragging
(Apple) and then have ended up at a DIFFERENT destination that the
one intended.
That is what I'm waiting for you to 'document'.  What is more likely
is that you failed to notice the situation.
I've made it my business to notice EVERYTHING but concede that I may
possibly have missed it.
Post by Mike Easter
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9851372/how-can-url-be-hidden-in-hyperlink-when-mouse-hover
  how can url be hidden in hyperlink when mouse hover
... but I don't see the successful result there yet.
This link, found on the site you posted, is interesting but not really
something I wish to study.
https://jsfiddle.net/vipul09so/Lcryjga5/
 - a hyperlink which does NOT display the target in the status bar
 - *nothing* is displayed in the status
Post by David
But it appears that I am right - it *CAN* be done!
If a hyperlink did NOT display in the status bar, I would display the
html source to see what it said.  That example does NOT show the status
bar giving 'misinformation' like what the eyeball sees of the hyperlink.
I will concede that the correct result does not show in the status when
the cursor is hovered, but neither does the 'incorrect' result.
Thank you. Is there anything else we should discuss in relation to this
matter? I'd like to make it clear that I have no wish to argue with you
or antagonise you, Mike. If there is anything outstanding which I've not
yet addressed, please raise matters in a new thread.

Did you take time to review the website of Ady Cole? He's a great fellow
but always in a rush! Too much to do and no time to do it! ;-)

D.
Shadow
2019-11-16 22:27:21 UTC
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Post by David
Post by Mike Easter
I will concede that the correct result does not show in the status when
the cursor is hovered, but neither does the 'incorrect' result.
Thank you. Is there anything else we should discuss in relation to this
matter? I'd like to make it clear that I have no wish to argue with you
or antagonise you, Mike.
Do I need to translate?
<spoiler - he didn't read or understand your text, or he would
have commented, experimented and thanked you>
Post by David
<FURTHER_STALKING_REMOVED>
---------------
BD: I want people to "get to know me better. I have nothing to
hide".
I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's request,
rather, he said "Do it *NOW*!":

<http://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php>

60 confirmed #FAKE_NYMS, most used in cybercrimes!
Google "David Brooks Devon"
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012
Mike Easter
2019-11-14 21:30:12 UTC
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Post by David
"Not one "real" person I've spoken to face to face
All this crap is pasted from this earlier 2006 msg:

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=157376682100
From: "BoaterDave"
Subject: Redirectors - I had one, BUT DIDN'T KNOW!
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 08:08:32 -0000
Message-ID: <***@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.homeusers


Are you absolutely sure that you aren't suffering from PTSD 'flashback'?

You seem to be rooted in the past traumatic experience. You cannot
separate present reality from past whatever.
--
Mike Easter
Shadow
2019-11-14 22:06:29 UTC
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Post by Mike Easter
Post by David
"Not one "real" person I've spoken to face to face
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=157376682100
From: "BoaterDave"
Subject: Redirectors - I had one, BUT DIDN'T KNOW!
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 08:08:32 -0000
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.homeusers
Are you absolutely sure that you aren't suffering from PTSD 'flashback'?
WOW!!
You got three letters right. The "D", the "T" and the "s".
Have you ever considered becoming a doctor?
Post by Mike Easter
You seem to be rooted in the past traumatic experience. You cannot
separate present reality from past whatever.
No, it's just an excuse to slime another innocent
STALKING_TARGET. He's been "investigating" some for 15 years now.

---------------
BD: I want people to "get to know me better. I have nothing to
hide".
I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's request,
rather, he said "Do it *NOW*!":

<http://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php>

60 confirmed #FAKE_NYMS, most used in cybercrimes!
Google "David Brooks Devon"
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012
Mike Easter
2019-11-14 23:37:40 UTC
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Post by Shadow
Post by Mike Easter
Are you absolutely sure that you aren't suffering from PTSD 'flashback'?
WOW!!
You got three letters right. The "D", the "T" and the "s".
Have you ever considered becoming a doctor?
All you people who sound like a broken record about BD's drinking have
no evidence of his present status; whether he is truthful or not about
reduced alcohol consumption.

I say:
- however much he was drinking before is not established
- however much he is currently drinking is not established
- however much he is or is not impaired by past or present drinking is
not established

... and It is quite conceivable to me that neither his drinking nor its
history have anythng to do w/ those features of his persona which fall
under criticism around here.
--
Mike Easter
Shadow
2019-11-15 00:07:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike Easter
Post by Shadow
Post by Mike Easter
Are you absolutely sure that you aren't suffering from PTSD 'flashback'?
WOW!!
You got three letters right. The "D", the "T" and the "s".
Have you ever considered becoming a doctor?
All you people who sound like a broken record about BD's drinking have
no evidence of his present status; whether he is truthful or not about
reduced alcohol consumption.
- however much he was drinking before is not established
He claimed to have withdrawal symptoms when he tried to
stop.(that might be a another *lie* ,though it sounded more like a
confession).
Read a medical article on how much you have to drink daily for
that to happen. Read various.
I DID recommend AA. He didn't go.
[]'s
Post by Mike Easter
- however much he is currently drinking is not established
- however much he is or is not impaired by past or present drinking is
not established
... and It is quite conceivable to me that neither his drinking nor its
history have anythng to do w/ those features of his persona which fall
under criticism around here.
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012
David
2019-11-15 00:52:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Shadow
Post by Mike Easter
Post by Shadow
Post by Mike Easter
Are you absolutely sure that you aren't suffering from PTSD 'flashback'?
WOW!!
You got three letters right. The "D", the "T" and the "s".
Have you ever considered becoming a doctor?
All you people who sound like a broken record about BD's drinking have
no evidence of his present status; whether he is truthful or not about
reduced alcohol consumption.
- however much he was drinking before is not established
He claimed to have withdrawal symptoms when he tried to
stop.(that might be a another *lie* ,though it sounded more like a
confession).
Read a medical article on how much you have to drink daily for
that to happen. Read various.
I DID recommend AA. He didn't go.
[]'s
I didn't *TRY* to stop - I set an action date of 21 March (the first day
of spring) in 2018 - and I *DID* stop. I've not touched a single drop
since that date.

Had you been remotely interested, like a normal human being, you would
have believed me when I told you that I had a 'session' with this
fellow. https://www.mindandperformance.com/adrian-cole

If you had bothered to read my Testimonial on that site the truth would
have hit you straight between the eyes.

Instead, you behave like a complete arsehole. An insensitive troll and
hacker too, if Dustin Cook is to be believed. You should pray for
forgiveness and a painless death. Your call.
Post by Shadow
Post by Mike Easter
- however much he is currently drinking is not established
- however much he is or is not impaired by past or present drinking is
not established
... and It is quite conceivable to me that neither his drinking nor its
history have anything to do w/ those features of his persona which fall
under criticism around here.
Shadow
2019-11-15 01:28:29 UTC
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<CUT_OT_CRAP>
Instead, you behave like a complete arsehole. An insensitive troll and
hacker too, if <name_withheld> is to be believed. You should pray for
forgiveness and a painless death. Your call.
I don't believe in god, so that's wasted advice.

Do you even know what a "hacker" is ?

Oxford and Cambridge dictionary definitions.

//informal An enthusiastic and skilful computer programmer or
user.//

//A person who is skilled in the use of computer systems//

Here's the definition from MIT's dictionary:

"People who enjoy "exploring the details of programmable
systems and how to stretch their capabilities,"

I'll take that as a compliment. Thank you. It's the first nice
thing you've ever said to a STALKING_TARGET without second intentions.

---------------
BD: I want people to "get to know me better. I have nothing to
hide".
I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's request,
rather, he said "Do it *NOW*!":

<http://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php>

60 confirmed #FAKE_NYMS, most used in cybercrimes!
Google "David Brooks Devon"
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012
David
2019-11-15 00:32:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike Easter
Post by Mike Easter
Are you absolutely sure that you aren't suffering from PTSD 'flashback'?
    WOW!!
    You got three letters right. The "D", the "T" and the "s".
    Have you ever considered becoming a doctor?
All you people who sound like a broken record about BD's drinking have
no evidence of his present status; whether he is truthful or not about
reduced alcohol consumption.
 - however much he was drinking before is not established
 - however much he is currently drinking is not established
 - however much he is or is not impaired by past or present drinking is
not established
... and It is quite conceivable to me that neither his drinking nor its
history have anything to do w/ those features of his persona which fall
under criticism around here.
I concur. If I could shake your hand and say thanks, I would.

For what it's worth, I haven't had ANY alcohol since 21 March 2018 -
NONE - and I have never used illegal drugs at any time during my
lifetime. Sad, I know - at least some folk here will think so.

*YOU* know, Mike, better than most, that I've been on a witch hunt for a
very long time - looking for needles in haystacks. That has had nothing
whatsoever to do with drinking - absolutely nothing at all. Fooling folk
on Usenet has been part of my strategy for years and it has worked very
well.

You may like to read this recent thread which touches on links not
working as expected:-

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250812212?answerId=251545300022&page=1

I've never professed to be a techie - not after my apprenticeship anyway
and that was long ago. I do know how to break and mend computers in a
physical sense but that's from a trial and error basis. Unlike some,
I've had no formal training in computer science and have no interest in
the 'coding' side of matters. My strength is in people skills and as you
are aware I have the ability to draw out the worst in people. I'm
saddened that you have been witness to that but what's done is done.

In my short periods of endeavouring to help folk on the ASC forums I
hope that you can recognise a different demeanour.

I'll address you other thread tomorrow. 'nite!
Shadow
2019-11-15 01:10:00 UTC
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*YOU* know, <withheld>, better than most, that I've been on a witch hunt for a
very long time - looking for needles in haystacks. That has had nothing
whatsoever to do with drinking - absolutely nothing at all. Fooling folk
on Usenet has been part of my strategy for years and it has worked very
well.
No *bad guys* EVER put in jail. 30 or so innocent people
used/smeared/ *lied* about /hurt and or blackmailed.

*WE* know. Decades, not years....
And your behavior has NOTHING to do with drinking?
In that case AA would be the wrong place to go.
HTH.

---------------
BD: I want people to "get to know me better. I have nothing to
hide".
I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's request,
rather, he said "Do it *NOW*!":

<http://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php>

60 confirmed #FAKE_NYMS, most used in cybercrimes!
Google "David Brooks Devon"
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012
Diesel
2019-11-16 02:08:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Shadow
*YOU* know, <withheld>, better than most, that I've been on a
witch hunt for a very long time - looking for needles in
haystacks. That has had nothing whatsoever to do with drinking -
absolutely nothing at all. Fooling folk on Usenet has been part of
my strategy for years and it has worked very well.
No *bad guys* EVER put in jail. 30 or so innocent people
used/smeared/ *lied* about /hurt and or blackmailed.
*WE* know. Decades, not years....
And your behavior has NOTHING to do with drinking?
In that case AA would be the wrong place to go.
His drinking makes it worse, otherwise, no, it has little to do with
it. I wrote, some years back that his inner circle told me that what
I've seen online is how he acts in person too. Obnoxious, fucking twit.
He was drinking, excessively one particular day and had a choice
exchange of heated words with a dear rl friend; no, it's not the person
he tried to discuss (he was phishing for my source(s)) and that's what
toasted their friendship. It was under strain, clearly, but David said
something that put it over the edge.

He has tried and failed, several times now to restore that connection.
The individual presently, won't give him the time of day.

I was told what was supposedly said, but it's not 1st hand knowledge,
it's 2nd hand at best so I won't embarrass him (or accidently remind
him) further by sharing it here.
Post by Shadow
HTH.
---------------
BD: I want people to "get to know me better. I have nothing to
hide".
I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's
request,
<http://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php>
60 confirmed #FAKE_NYMS, most used in cybercrimes!
Google "David Brooks Devon"
[]'s
--
For people who like peace and quiet: a phoneless cord.
David
2019-11-16 08:04:23 UTC
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Post by Diesel
I was told what was supposedly said, but it's not 1st hand knowledge,
it's 2nd hand at best so I won't embarrass him (or accidentality remind
him) further by sharing it here.
Proof positive that you are lying again.

At your age, it's time you started telling the truth, Dustin.
Diesel
2019-11-18 06:33:22 UTC
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Post by David
Post by Diesel
I was told what was supposedly said, but it's not 1st hand
knowledge, it's 2nd hand at best so I won't embarrass him (or
accidentality remind him) further by sharing it here.
Proof positive that you are lying again.
Nope. David, You've stated that a poster here knows you in person,
why haven't they ever come to your rescue concerning my claims of
your drinking? I see you interact with them. I see them interact with
you. Yet, I don't see them saying, no Dustin, you're wrong, David
never had a drinking problem, it's all lies you were told. Not one
single post from him, backing you up...Not one. I don't know this
individual in person, you do. What would they have to gain by letting
me spread a lie about you? I can't think of anything...

You also, told your version of what I wrote, when I initially
informed you that I'd breached your inner circle and leaked a little
information to show you it was a legitimate claim. I recently asked
(again, I did originally when I told you too!) you how I could have
known about anything concerning that relationship, if one or more
people you know irl didn't tell me about it? You *NEVER* responded to
that question. You never told me about it, you never discussed it as
far as I know on usenet until I brought it up and you had to give
your side. So, explain how I got that information then David...:)

And while you're trying to do that, explain why you felt it necessary
to tell me your side of the story instead of straight up deny that
excessive alcohol consumpion over a long period of time was involved
in it? And why did you feel it necessary to try and badmouth the
other person in your side of the story as if they were the bad guy
and you the victim? I don't even know the person you wrote about, and
I've told you repeatedly, you disclosed more information to me; I was
writing about another individual entirely; but didn't fall for your
phishing stunt because I won't give up the sources; they've been very
useful and I'd hate to see you harass them as you do people here.

Think long and hard about things like that next time you try to
dismiss me as a liar to get the spot light off you. As, it's not
going to happen. I'm not lying about this, you know i'm not lying
about this, and anyone else who knows you irl who might be reading
this, also knows I'm not lying about a damn thing concerning it. Not
one single time.
Post by David
At your age, it's time you started telling the truth, Dustin.
Can you explain the above then, David? Yes, I fully anticipate
hearing crickets. You really *don't* do well with direct questioning.
--
All the world's a stage and we're not even making scale.
David
2019-11-18 16:08:11 UTC
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Post by Diesel
Post by David
Post by Diesel
I was told what was supposedly said, but it's not 1st hand
knowledge, it's 2nd hand at best so I won't embarrass him (or
accidentality remind him) further by sharing it here.
Proof positive that you are lying again.
Nope. David, You've stated that a poster here knows you in person,
why haven't they ever come to your rescue concerning my claims of
your drinking? I see you interact with them. I see them interact with
you. Yet, I don't see them saying, no Dustin, you're wrong, David
never had a drinking problem, it's all lies you were told. Not one
single post from him, backing you up...Not one. I don't know this
individual in person, you do. What would they have to gain by letting
me spread a lie about you? I can't think of anything...
You really have lost your way, Dustin. I've never, to the best of MY
recollection, EVER claimed than anyone I know in real life is a
reader/poster in this group - 'acw'. You are mistaken.

Oops! Did you mean Andrew Taylor - I once met him for lunch when he
visited the UK, but he lives in Canada and has no idea about what really
drives me to get to the truth.
Post by Diesel
You also, told your version of what I wrote, when I initially
informed you that I'd breached your inner circle and leaked a little
information to show you it was a legitimate claim. I recently asked
(again, I did originally when I told you too!) you how I could have
known about anything concerning that relationship, if one or more
people you know irl didn't tell me about it? You *NEVER* responded to
that question. You never told me about it, you never discussed it as
far as I know on usenet until I brought it up and you had to give
your side. So, explain how I got that information then David...:)
I told Richard about you and suggested to him that you might be able to
help him. I have no idea of whether or not he called you. As he was
never keen to PAY for services and products he obtained, I'd not be at
all surprised if he DID call you - especially as I'd also told him how
to call the USA very cheaply using Call 18866

https://www.call18866.co.uk
Post by Diesel
And while you're trying to do that, explain why you felt it necessary
to tell me your side of the story instead of straight up deny that
excessive alcohol consumpion over a long period of time was involved
in it? And why did you feel it necessary to try and badmouth the
other person in your side of the story as if they were the bad guy
and you the victim?
Richard was unpopular as a teenager when we were at school together and,
I was credibly informed, unpopular as an airline pilot. He had few
friends and had intended to put his mother (mother-in-law?) into a 'care
home' simply so he could have an easier life. Very bad form IMO. :-(
Post by Diesel
I don't even know the person you wrote about, and
I've told you repeatedly, you disclosed more information to me; I was
writing about another individual entirely; but didn't fall for your
phishing stunt because I won't give up the sources; they've been very
useful and I'd hate to see you harass them as you do people here.
You are full of bullshit, Dustin. You are *NOT* in touch with ANYONE I
know in real life. (except, possibly, Richard - and I've not been in
contact with HIM for years - he'd certainly have no knowledge about my
decision to stop drinking alcohol)
Post by Diesel
Think long and hard about things like that next time you try to
dismiss me as a liar to get the spot light off you. As, it's not
going to happen. I'm not lying about this, you know i'm not lying
about this, and anyone else who knows you irl who might be reading
this, also knows I'm not lying about a damn thing concerning it. Not
one single time.
Yes, Dustin - You *ARE* lying.
Post by Diesel
Post by David
At your age, it's time you started telling the truth, Dustin.
Can you explain the above then, David? Yes, I fully anticipate
hearing crickets. You really *don't* do well with direct questioning.
Let's "DO THIS TO DEATH" - *TELL THE TRUTH*!
Shadow
2019-11-18 16:53:50 UTC
Permalink
You really have lost your way,<redacted>. I've never, to the best of MY
recollection
Translation of "to the best of MY recollection" = "my memory
span, currently no more than 30 minutes".

Yes, we know. Stop drinking so much.

---------------
BD: I want people to "get to know me better. I have nothing to
hide".
I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's request,
rather, he said "Do it *NOW*!":

<http://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php>

60 confirmed #FAKE_NYMS, most used in cybercrimes!
Google "David Brooks Devon"
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012
Diesel
2019-11-18 20:41:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by David
Post by Diesel
Post by David
Post by Diesel
I was told what was supposedly said, but it's not 1st hand
knowledge, it's 2nd hand at best so I won't embarrass him (or
accidentality remind him) further by sharing it here.
Proof positive that you are lying again.
Nope. David, You've stated that a poster here knows you in
person, why haven't they ever come to your rescue concerning my
claims of your drinking? I see you interact with them. I see them
interact with you. Yet, I don't see them saying, no Dustin,
you're wrong, David never had a drinking problem, it's all lies
you were told. Not one single post from him, backing you up...Not
one. I don't know this individual in person, you do. What would
they have to gain by letting me spread a lie about you? I can't
think of anything...
You really have lost your way, Dustin.
No, I haven't. You've forgotten some of the things you wrote when
your drinking issue first came to light. :)
Post by David
I've never, to the best of MY recollection, EVER claimed than
anyone I know in real life is a reader/poster in this group - >
'acw'. You are mistaken.
Post by David
Oops! Did you mean
ROFL, contradicting yourself in the same post. Good job, sport.

Incidently though, I didn't say you did claim you knew anyone from
usenet in particular.
Post by David
Post by Diesel
You also, told your version of what I wrote, when I initially
informed you that I'd breached your inner circle and leaked a
little information to show you it was a legitimate claim. I
recently asked (again, I did originally when I told you too!) you
how I could have known about anything concerning that
relationship, if one or more people you know irl didn't tell me
about it? You *NEVER* responded to that question. You never told
me about it, you never discussed it as far as I know on usenet
until I brought it up and you had to give your side. So, explain
how I got that information then David...:)
I told Richard about you and suggested to him that you might be
able to help him. I have no idea of whether or not he called you.
As he was never keen to PAY for services and products he obtained,
I'd not be at all surprised if he DID call you - especially as I'd
also told him how to call the USA very cheaply using Call 18866
https://www.call18866.co.uk
ROFL! You're such a liar, David. And a poor one at that. How was he
supposed to have called me, mr genius that isn't? If you ever had a
working number for me, you would have shared it on your blog, usenet,
and anywhere else you could write text and have it visible to the
public. Failing that, you would have opted to create jpgs or
something and share links to those with the phone number inside of
them.

You've told all kinds of people, lies about me, yes you certainly
have.
Post by David
Post by Diesel
And while you're trying to do that, explain why you felt it
necessary to tell me your side of the story instead of straight
up deny that excessive alcohol consumpion over a long period of
time was involved in it? And why did you feel it necessary to try
and badmouth the other person in your side of the story as if
they were the bad guy and you the victim?
Richard was unpopular as a teenager when we were at school
together and, I was credibly informed, unpopular as an airline
pilot. He had few friends and had intended to put his mother
(mother-in-law?) into a 'care home' simply so he could have an
easier life. Very bad form IMO. :-(
David,

You might want to re-read what you wrote the last time I asked you
the same question. Last time, it was an insurance sales agent. Now,
he's an unpopular airline pilot? ROFL! Once again, you're writing
about different people. Neither of which answers any of the questions
I just asked you. Go ahead though, continue digging yourself another
hole concerning the drinking you're lying about not doing. :)
Post by David
Post by Diesel
I don't even know the person you wrote about, and
I've told you repeatedly, you disclosed more information to me; I
was writing about another individual entirely; but didn't fall
for your phishing stunt because I won't give up the sources;
they've been very useful and I'd hate to see you harass them as
you do people here.
You are full of bullshit, Dustin.
See above.
Post by David
You are *NOT* in touch with ANYONE I know in real life. (except,
possibly, Richard
So is Richard a failed airline pilot who went for the insurance sales
gig as a backup plan, or, did you forget about the other story you
peddled trying to explain how I learned what I shared about you?
Post by David
- and I've not been in contact with HIM for years - he'd certainly
have no knowledge about my decision to stop drinking alcohol)
Oh, so this Richard person would have knowledge concerning your
previous decision to drink it in excessive amounts, then, eh?
Post by David
Post by Diesel
Think long and hard about things like that next time you try to
dismiss me as a liar to get the spot light off you. As, it's not
going to happen. I'm not lying about this, you know i'm not lying
about this, and anyone else who knows you irl who might be
reading this, also knows I'm not lying about a damn thing
concerning it. Not one single time.
Yes, Dustin - You *ARE* lying.
I realize you wish someone would take you at your word on this, but
you've told two entirely different stories now about it. [g]

In the event you don't know, your credibility is in dire straits.
Post by David
Post by Diesel
Can you explain the above then, David? Yes, I fully anticipate
hearing crickets. You really *don't* do well with direct
questioning.
Let's "DO THIS TO DEATH" - *TELL THE TRUTH*!
I have been. It's you who's been dishonest concerning this. Now,
you've gone and spun two different stories about the person you had a
falling out with. So which is it then, insurance sales, or airline
pilot? :)
--
'I tried to think but nothing happened!' - Curly
David
2019-11-18 23:20:26 UTC
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Post by Diesel
I have been. It's you who's been dishonest concerning this. Now,
you've gone and spun two different stories about the person you had a
falling out with. So which is it then, insurance sales, or airline
pilot?:)
I've not fallen out with anyone involved in "insurance sales".

Perhaps you are referring to Richard, a retired airline pilot, who was
pissed off about making bad decisions with regards to his pension
arrangements. I was a professional pensions adviser and he called my
expertise into doubt. Is that what you are thinking about?
Shadow
2019-11-18 23:52:01 UTC
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Post by David
Perhaps you are referring to Richard, a retired airline pilot, who was
pissed off about making bad decisions with regards to his pension
arrangements. I was a professional pensions adviser and he called my
expertise into doubt.
So he was not so stupid as he looked?
Your point being? That you were *BANNED* in RL too?
I don't think that comes as a surprise to anyone reading here.
What was the punishment your "god" told you to inflict on him?

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Char Jackson
2019-11-19 04:09:46 UTC
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Post by David
I was a professional pensions adviser and he called my
expertise into doubt.
OMG! I pity the fools who may have placed their trust in you. Did you
create dossiers on the folks who came to you?
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Diesel
2019-11-20 11:33:08 UTC
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David <***@home.now> news:_GFAF.2$***@fx04.dcg Mon, 18 Nov 2019
23:20:26 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

[snip]
Post by David
Perhaps you are referring to Richard, a retired airline pilot, who
was pissed off about making bad decisions with regards to his
pension arrangements. I was a professional pensions adviser and he
called my expertise into doubt. Is that what you are thinking
about?
How many more times will I have to remind you that I will not give up
any of my source(s) that know you in real life? I'd like those lines
of communication to remain open; and they can't very well do that if
you go and annoy the fuck out of them, as I'm sure you would, if you
knew who was talking about you. :) I'm getting a real kick out of you
not beng able to tell who's been sharing your dirty laundry with me.

And the more you call me a liar, yet, forget having tried to defend
yourself with an explanation, the funnier this gets. Not only for me,
but for others who are reading these posts. We ALL know I got you,
dead to rights, and you have been LYING about not being a drunkard
since I exposed you, a few years ago, for being exactly that.

It's even worse when you refuse to answer a very simple question that
I've asked you several times now. That question is, how in the fuck
would I know anything about a lost friendship/relationship/business
dealing relationship that you haven't as far as I know (prior to my
bringing up the fact you're a real life, drunk!) discussed on usenet
and at no time did you ever mention it to me via email; remember,
asshat, our entire email correspondence has been shared online. Even
the remailing coward read some of it. So, how did I find out about
this issue you had with an individual, if one or more people who are
in your inner circle didn't tell me about it? And, provide specific
details concerning it.

Three times now, I've reminded you, this is a relationship you lost
due to your smart mouth, which gets worse when you've been hitting
the bottle. You have tried, AND FAILED, to re-establish this
relationship, multiple times now. So please, save your lies, quit
trying to pass this particular relationship off as the
insurance/airline pilot/whatever story you've tried to peddle twice.

This is someone you actually give a shit about, an individual who
provides an opinion you actually consider. Not a failed business
relationship. As I told you, the first time I disclosed knowledge of
this, that I couldn't possibly have, if I was lying about knowing
people in your inner circle.

David, since the cats already out of the bag and there's no fucking
way you can put it back, I'll tell you straight up; YOU (not me)
confirmed my claims of your drinking when you tried to defend
yourself going so far as to give your side of the lost relationship
story. INSTEAD OF DOING ANY OF THAT, you should have stuck with what
you do best and lied your fucking ass off by saying you didn't have a
clue about what I was writing about, not a bit of a clue.

Instead, evidently not realizing what you were doing at the time (too
worried about defending your own reputation? <G>), you go and provide
your own version of the events that I described, along with accusing
me of hacking into one or more of your computers and taking
information which gave me the information I shared on usenet about
your drinking problem.

YOU CONFIRMED WHAT I WROTE ABOUT YOUR DRINKING PROBLEM, yourself, all
of your own doing, Prior to you responding with that, I couldn't have
actually supported anything i'd written without giving up source(s);
which I wasn't (and still haven't) about to do. I took a chance and
it worked out, instead of deny deny deny as you typically do, because
you only saw the attack on your fine character, you went into defend
defend defend, and that boyo, got your ass. :-)

Yes, David, read it again, slowly this time. YOU CONFIRMED that what
I wrote about your drinking and it resulting in the loss of a
friendship by taking what I wrote as a personal attack (I figured you
would, I worded it a specific way rofl) and going into defend mode,
instead of what you should have done, deny.

Upto that point, had you been smart, even for a second, and played
dumb, I'd have looked like an asshat; I really couldn't prove
anything I'd written about your excessive drinking without you being
able to track my source(s) and swifty deal with them for exposing
you. I knew you were a drunk, no doubt about it, I suspected it when
you were emailing me; you had/still have some tell tales about you.
Anyone who's had to interact with a drunkard (or live/s) with one,
knows them; you really are all the same with that particular drug of
choice. The email archive between us is a preserved copy of those
tells, visible to anyone who's been around someone like you. Dead
give aways.

So, when Mike Easter proclaims there's no proof you're a drunkard,
he's exposing the fact he has little to no 1st hand knowledge of the
specimen or subject; and that's not the first time he's dug himself a
hole with you, either. There's all kinds of it. It's in your posts,
it's in your known online activities. He's just an ignorant shit
concerning that subject too. Just as ignorant as he was when he wrote
this nonsense:

Message-ID: <***@mid.individual.net>
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=155278479000

OUAT onceuponatime BD mistreated/used various public personae,
then/now Diesel bullies BD (and others), now various mail2news
anonymizer/s bully Diesel.

**** end snippit

He has a unique definition to bully and stalking just as you do to
truth. It's very convenient for the two of you, but makes interaction
and getting on the same page with either of you, a task for the poor
soul wishing to do so.
--
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David
2019-11-20 15:28:38 UTC
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Post by Diesel
How many more times will I have to remind you that I will not give up
any of my source(s) that know you in real life? I'd like those lines
of communication to remain open; and they can't very well do that if
you go and annoy the fuck out of them, as I'm sure you would, if you
knew who was talking about you.:) I'm getting a real kick out of you
not beng able to tell who's been sharing your dirty laundry with me.
And the more you call me a liar, yet, forget having tried to defend
yourself with an explanation, the funnier this gets. Not only for me,
but for others who are reading these posts. We ALL know I got you,
dead to rights, and you have been LYING about not being a drunkard
since I exposed you, a few years ago, for being exactly that.
*You are lying, Dustin*.

*NOBODY* in my "inner circle" is telling you that I'm a "drunkard".

*Nor is anyone else*!

I know this - for sure - 'cause I've touched no alcohol whatsoever since
21 March 2018.

Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it!

You're on a sure-fire loser. You ARE a sure-fire loser! :-P
Shadow
2019-11-20 17:55:44 UTC
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Post by David
Post by Diesel
How many more times will I have to remind you that I will not give up
any of my source(s) that know you in real life? I'd like those lines
of communication to remain open; and they can't very well do that if
you go and annoy the fuck out of them, as I'm sure you would, if you
knew who was talking about you.:) I'm getting a real kick out of you
not beng able to tell who's been sharing your dirty laundry with me.
And the more you call me a liar, yet, forget having tried to defend
yourself with an explanation, the funnier this gets. Not only for me,
but for others who are reading these posts. We ALL know I got you,
dead to rights, and you have been LYING about not being a drunkard
since I exposed you, a few years ago, for being exactly that.
*You are lying, Dustin*.
*NOBODY* in my "inner circle" is telling you that I'm a "drunkard".
Not now. You don't have an "inner circle" anymore, unless the
bottle counts.
Post by David
*Nor is anyone else*!
That would be the rest of the World. I suppose "god" faxed
that info to you?

---------------
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hide".
I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's request,
rather, he said "Do it *NOW*!":

<http://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php>

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Diesel
2019-11-20 20:28:06 UTC
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Post by David
Post by Diesel
How many more times will I have to remind you that I will not
give up any of my source(s) that know you in real life? I'd like
those lines of communication to remain open; and they can't very
well do that if you go and annoy the fuck out of them, as I'm
sure you would, if you knew who was talking about you.:) I'm
getting a real kick out of you not beng able to tell who's been
sharing your dirty laundry with me.
And the more you call me a liar, yet, forget having tried to
defend yourself with an explanation, the funnier this gets. Not
only for me, but for others who are reading these posts. We ALL
know I got you, dead to rights, and you have been LYING about not
being a drunkard since I exposed you, a few years ago, for being
exactly that.
*You are lying, Dustin*.
You *wish* I was. :)
Post by David
You're on a sure-fire loser. You ARE a sure-fire loser! :-P
Once again, you're projecting.
--
The map is not the territory, but you can't fold up the territory and
put it in your glove compartment.
Char Jackson
2019-11-15 03:05:04 UTC
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Post by David
For what it's worth, I haven't had ANY alcohol since 21 March 2018 -
NONE - and I have never used illegal drugs at any time during my
lifetime. Sad, I know - at least some folk here will think so.
Claiming that you don't use alcohol or illegal drugs makes you sad??

Anyway, I don't believe you. At the very best, your claims above are your
twisted bass-ackwards way of saying you only use legal drugs. So be it.
Post by David
Fooling folk on Usenet has been part of my strategy for years and it
has worked very well.
From my vantage point, it has had a 0% success rate. You keep incriminating
yourself and getting yourself banned, but you've had no success otherwise.
Post by David
You may like to read this recent thread which touches on links not
working as expected:-
That's a strange thing to stick into the thread at this point. Did you just
have a random thought?
Post by David
My strength is in people skills <snip>
ROTFLMAO OK, I see now that this entire post has been an attempt at
British Humour. You really are an idiot, aren't you.
Post by David
I'll address you other thread tomorrow. 'nite!
Is that like how you were going to address Ant's questions 'tomorrow'?
It has been several tomorrows already. You probably forgot.
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Diesel
2019-11-16 02:08:48 UTC
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Post by Mike Easter
Post by Shadow
Post by Mike Easter
Are you absolutely sure that you aren't suffering from PTSD
'flashback'?
WOW!!
You got three letters right. The "D", the "T" and the "s".
Have you ever considered becoming a doctor?
All you people who sound like a broken record about BD's drinking
have no evidence of his present status; whether he is truthful or
not about reduced alcohol consumption.
*yawn*
You wrote that he was a victim of bullying, and, isn't a stalker too.
So, with the newfound level of respect you've earned for yourself,
your opinion isn't worth the bytes you wasted to share it.
Post by Mike Easter
... and It is quite conceivable to me that neither his drinking
nor its history have anythng to do w/ those features of his
persona which fall under criticism around here.
Some of us know a considerable amount about alcoholism from 1st hand
experience in dealing with them. They are all the same, and the issue
they have as a result compounds other issues/problems they are facing
in life. It does NOT improve any aspect of their life, or anyone
who's forced to be for whatever reason around them. I used forced to
be because no logical and sane thinking person wants to be around a
drunkard if they don't have to be.

I'm glad that you don't have any experience on this subject with
which to relate, you're better off. At the same time though, it also
means you're continuing to write from your arsehole on another
subject, you know nothing about.
--
At Sunday school the teacher asked little Johnny, "Do you know where
little boys and girls go when they do bad things?"
"Sure," little Johnny replied. "They go out in the back of the
church yard."
Shadow
2019-11-14 21:31:54 UTC
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Post by David
"Not one "real" person I've spoken to face to face has any idea that it is
possible for one to type a URL in the address box, click "Go" and be
whisked off to a web site which appears to be exactly as they might expect - but
isn't bone fide!
You probably have bad breath, what with the heavy drinking and
bad hygiene.
Try speaking to them sideways on. Or facing away, on all
fours.
HTH

(that's DNS hijacking, or one of it's variants. I would think
EVERYONE here knows what that is. Unless of course you typed in the
wrong address. That's called stupidity)

---------------
BD: I want people to "get to know me better. I have nothing to
hide".
I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's request,
rather, he said "Do it *NOW*!":

<http://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php>

60 confirmed #FAKE_NYMS, most used in cybercrimes!
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Shadow
2019-11-14 21:10:55 UTC
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Post by Mike Easter
Post by David
Btw, I have seen links like that which do NOT show the correct
destination when you hover over them with a cursor (mouse pointer)
You will have to describe the situation in much more detail to build
your case.
The Kurt Lang example you gave performs 'as expected' in that the
apparent/ visual content of the link was different from the actual link
'inside' the html.
<p>If this is a link in an email, hover over the link to make sure it
goes where it says. Anyone with minor HTML skills can make a link say
one thing, while going somewhere else.</p><p><br></p><p>Here's an
example of a supposed Apple link going to Wikipedia.</p><p><br></p><p><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page"
rel="nofollow">https://idmsa.apple.com/</a></p>
"Anyone with minor HTML skills".

He was decent enough not to include BD. That is a clear
disclaimer.

---------------
BD: I want people to "get to know me better. I have nothing to
hide".
I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's request,
rather, he said "Do it *NOW*!":

<http://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php>

60 confirmed #FAKE_NYMS, most used in cybercrimes!
Google "David Brooks Devon"
[]'s
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